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As said before, people posting a collection of unsorted images about one car should post them in the current car threads, not in a more specialised thread. It's not discouraging anything.Callum wrote:I'm worried it might discourage the (very nice) people who spend time uploading the great pictures to the site. Will they be bothered to upload the different into 5x as many topics?
As a long-time member, I -- regretfully -- agree.NewtonMeter wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't like it.
In my opinion as user, the discussion is over regulated as it is on this site. Before every single post, you need to weight up wether the a post belongs in a team thread or car thread and the lines are becoming more vague by the day. Therefore, posting on other forums are a lot simpler and frankly more enjoyable because you aren't nannied as much.
It just seems that if so many posts need to be moved and warnings given all the time, that maybe the users of the forum find the post catagories (car vs. team) unintuitive. And from a usability perspecitive, an unintuitive design is a bad design.
This change will make it even worse. IMHO ofcoursre.
Cool, I understandSteven wrote:As said before, people posting a collection of unsorted images about one car should post them in the current car threads, not in a more specialised thread. It's not discouraging anything.Callum wrote:I'm worried it might discourage the (very nice) people who spend time uploading the great pictures to the site. Will they be bothered to upload the different into 5x as many topics?
I had to lock it for a while - there were other things going on and just didn't had the time at that moment to deal with it. The issue was that the discussion evolved into a more general one. One started to discuss resonance frequency, another brought in a video of a red bull. At one point you have to decide that the topic, the W05, isn't part of the discussion anymore, or is lost in the far more general discussion.The Mercedes W05 thread is currently locked because a mod has deemed it to have derailed over a discussion on rear wing movement/vibrations it seems. I have seen this happen many times before. Often the mod is correct but this time I am convinced that it is hurting discussion and the community.
Thank you. Even though I am not in agreement with the degree of curation I can still appreciate the work and effort. In my opinion, all that talk is relevant to the car details and the car thread. If your goal is to have your users curate a wiki simply make a wiki instead of a discussion forum.turbof1 wrote:I had to lock it for a while - there were other things going on and just didn't had the time at that moment to deal with it. The issue was that the discussion evolved into a more general one. One started to discuss resonance frequency, another brought in a video of a red bull. At one point you have to decide that the topic, the W05, isn't part of the discussion anymore, or is lost in the far more general discussion.The Mercedes W05 thread is currently locked because a mod has deemed it to have derailed over a discussion on rear wing movement/vibrations it seems. I have seen this happen many times before. Often the mod is correct but this time I am convinced that it is hurting discussion and the community.
I split off the discussion into a new topic: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =6&t=19059. This has several benefits:
-The car thread is again about the car, and not about "resonance frequency"
-The discussion continues
-The vibration thread is far less limited. People don't have to ask themselves there if they should answer or ignore because it doesn't belong to the car thread.
Steven wrote:We may not be terribly clear, because it isn't exactly written in stone when to create a new thread, or when not. The major difference here is that the advice has always been "don't create a new thread", and we're stepping away from that.
As Richard says, some valuable posts and discussions these days get lost in very lengthy car threads, and for valuable technical novelties, the mods and a few consulted members have all agreed it would be better to encourage separate threads. This was unanimous, so there must be a problem somewhere.
Previously, thread splits have happened, like with the Lotus DRD. It's essentially a part of the Lotus car, but does anyone still think it should all be within the car thread?
Similar things are happening with McLaren's butterfly suspension or Mercedes' nose cone (especially their new one). It seems there is a lot to say about these things, and it's difficult to make any meaningful discussion or reading when other people are also chatting about other items in those cars.
Perhaps the question that remains is how rigorous and from how far back should the car threads be split. Probably not too much, but I'm very inclined to split off the entire butterfly suspension anyway.
LOl. The thread was getting boring so I tried to spice it up. It is all speculation anyways.
I don't think the new nose is a big problem, maybe it needs some fine tuning. It's only friday and balance issues are part of the game. Lewis and his engineers will work hard to solve them. Interesting to see if Merc will turn up the wick again in FP3.
AMUS reported that these new generation of Merc engines are more reliable and durable.
The issues isn't organization its the noise level. As Ciro once said motivate your posts.The W05 is in Beast Mode!
We believe that if we got down to more specific subjects, the noise gets filtered out of it. There's a ton to say about the W05 car and much more chance for noise like that, but narrowing the discussion down to for instance the front wing will cancel out a lot of jibber jabber.flynfrog wrote:Steven wrote:We may not be terribly clear, because it isn't exactly written in stone when to create a new thread, or when not. The major difference here is that the advice has always been "don't create a new thread", and we're stepping away from that.
As Richard says, some valuable posts and discussions these days get lost in very lengthy car threads, and for valuable technical novelties, the mods and a few consulted members have all agreed it would be better to encourage separate threads. This was unanimous, so there must be a problem somewhere.
Previously, thread splits have happened, like with the Lotus DRD. It's essentially a part of the Lotus car, but does anyone still think it should all be within the car thread?
Similar things are happening with McLaren's butterfly suspension or Mercedes' nose cone (especially their new one). It seems there is a lot to say about these things, and it's difficult to make any meaningful discussion or reading when other people are also chatting about other items in those cars.
Perhaps the question that remains is how rigorous and from how far back should the car threads be split. Probably not too much, but I'm very inclined to split off the entire butterfly suspension anyway.
If it isn't exactly written how do you expect us users outside of the chosen circle of unanimous voters to understand where and how to post in a topic. The issue is not one of organization so much as noise level. Look at the links that Richard posted earlier. The RB5 thread has pictures good analysis. Some theory thrown in. Now look at a newer post we have more pictures probably about the same level of analysis and a ton of posts such as:
LOl. The thread was getting boring so I tried to spice it up. It is all speculation anyways.I don't think the new nose is a big problem, maybe it needs some fine tuning. It's only friday and balance issues are part of the game. Lewis and his engineers will work hard to solve them. Interesting to see if Merc will turn up the wick again in FP3.AMUS reported that these new generation of Merc engines are more reliable and durable.The issues isn't organization its the noise level. As Ciro once said motivate your posts.The W05 is in Beast Mode!