Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2014

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elf341 wrote:He's got some way to go until you can put him in the list Emerson mentioned.
Vettel has 4 WDC and won the last 9 races of 2013 in a row, and yet people still hesitate to add his name to that list.

Ross Brawn put it best in an interview he gave early this year where he mentioned that Hamilton needs to learn that to dominate he needs to do more than just drive the car - that includes working very closely with engineers.
What we've seen so far this year is less "leave me alone" and more "tell me what I can do" on the radio - a step in the right direction!
For me he doesn't need to win more than others. Look at Ayrton Senna, Jim Clark or Gilles Villeneuve. They were nowhere near the 7 titles of Schumacher, but we grant them legendary statuses and probably the best drivers we've seen. Lewis constantly showed hunger on and off the track. He makes the most overtakings every season and always has that extra even if the car isn't that good at all. For me that is what great drivers are.

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Looks like Mercedes are still on top of things even though the gap is smaller between the rest of the field. Surely they haven't shown their real pace. Expect them to be +1sec faster than the 3rd again after Quali.

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Mercedes have tied up Petronas in a "multi year" deal this morning.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/159641.html
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Fantastic news... rarely gets mentioned that the top teams each have an oil company R&D department backing them up (Ferrari with Shell, etc.).

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It must be worth more money now too, with more prominent Petronas logos on the cars/racesuits/helmets.
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so now it is revealed that, Nico has also used an aggressive setting at Bahrain to pass Lewis
and then Lewis used an aggressive setting at Barcelona to hold off Nico
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114138

so now Merc team has a clamp down on altering the mapping setting for both drivers
Hamilton revealed after the Monaco GP that Rosberg had used a similar aggressive engine setting in his bid to snatch victory in Bahrain earlier this year.
Toto Wolff

Wolff said that their actions have now forced a clampdown on the drivers, with neither now allowed to play around with the mappings settings on their own.

"It's never going to happen again," declared Wolff.

"I think they are probably exploring how far you can step up above the line and what the consequences are. But isn't that normal?

"You have a chance of winning the championship and as long as it is not detrimental to the team spirit, as long as it is not underhand, we will handle the situation in the way we did before.

"The moment it goes in the direction where we believe it is not the spirit of Mercedes Benz we will act accordingly."

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Now I am really interested in what the consequence could be, if they do change the settings..?

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Expect sooner or later a ban on altering ERS settings on both Mercedes cars, because both drivers attack/defend each other by changing ERS settings constantly throughout the race.

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I'm sorry, but I disagree with this. Surely if one driver can change their settings then the other can too. So I don't get what the big deal is??
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adrianjordan wrote:I'm sorry, but I disagree with this. Surely if one driver can change their settings then the other can too. So I don't get what the big deal is??
reliability.

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Juzh wrote:
adrianjordan wrote:I'm sorry, but I disagree with this. Surely if one driver can change their settings then the other can too. So I don't get what the big deal is??
reliability.
That's only one aspect and can be countered with: it's driver's choice to exchange it for performance.

I think equally important is that they are in some respect remotely controlled when it comes to strategy, fuel setting, even pitstop timing or pace in relation to a team-mate. It's more about equality and lack of surprises, (let's say) Rosberg in Barcelona trusted that his (wrong and slower ;-)) strategy of fuel saving/slower pace/longer stints would give him advantage towards the end. If he had expected that it could be countered with extra "engine boost" it would have been different. When it happens they can't go back in time and modify it if for example he's short on fuel.

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De Jokke wrote:I see your point, but challenge? Lewis would have won everything if it wasn't for his OZ dnf. What more does he need to do...

About Alonso, he is allround BUT he is slower than lewis, vettel, kimi and rosberg over a single lap.
what was the 2007 quali battle between Lewis and Fernando? I don't see quali as Fernando's strongest point, but I've also not seen any real evidence that any on this list, with the possible exception of Hamilton would outqualify him in even cars.
Obvious;y Kimi isnt outqualifying Alsonso.
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I am not sure if anyone else paid attention to, but there was talk of Hamilton apologizing in Spain to Nico regarding the usage of some engine settings, which apparently they had agreed not to use, which gave some speed boost to Hamilton to defend from Nico. Toto spoke about it and Martin Brundle also highlighted. I am wondering what sort of settings is on this car, that they are not using as of now, which Lewis used. I believe it is not something illegal, may be something in the bag that Mercs' are not using.

Anyone has any info on this?

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It won't be anything illegal, at a guess just mapping and modes to give more power depending on the condition of the engine (number of races used?), temperature etc. Sounds like the drivers were using it when told not to by the engineers.

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prince wrote:I am not sure if anyone else paid attention to, but there was talk of Hamilton apologizing in Spain to Nico regarding the usage of some engine settings, which apparently they had agreed not to use, which gave some speed boost to Hamilton to defend from Nico. Toto spoke about it and Martin Brundle also highlighted. I am wondering what sort of settings is on this car, that they are not using as of now, which Lewis used. I believe it is not something illegal, may be something in the bag that Mercs' are not using.

Anyone has any info on this?
Apparently Nico used a setting he wasn't supposed to use in Bahrain so Lewis did the same in Catalunya, might give an extra bit of power at the expense of reliability but IDK.

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Anon123 wrote:
prince wrote:I am not sure if anyone else paid attention to, but there was talk of Hamilton apologizing in Spain to Nico regarding the usage of some engine settings, which apparently they had agreed not to use, which gave some speed boost to Hamilton to defend from Nico. Toto spoke about it and Martin Brundle also highlighted. I am wondering what sort of settings is on this car, that they are not using as of now, which Lewis used. I believe it is not something illegal, may be something in the bag that Mercs' are not using.

Anyone has any info on this?
Apparently Nico used a setting he wasn't supposed to use in Bahrain so Lewis did the same in Catalunya, might give an extra bit of power at the expense of reliability but IDK.
Haven't heard about what Nico did in Bahrain, do you have a source?