2014 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal

[60DShim]

Yep, and his championship hopes shouldn't be wrecked because of a mechanical DNF. Same goes for Nico, Vettel, Alonso and every other driver. The driver with the most victories should win the WDC, 2nd-22nd place should be decided the same. Where did you finish throughout the entire season? Most 2nd place finishes well you get 2nd. So on and so forth. That IMO is fair to every driver and I don't think any of them would disagree.

You have a tie for most 2nd place finishes, well the tie breaker should be which of them have more 3rd place finishes. It's a really simple but extremely effective way to determine the WDC. Too bad the FIA aren't that intelligent.

So based on this idea, at this point in the season Perez would be in front of Hulkenberg in the standings. Which would be idiotic.

Don't think you understood what I was saying. Hulk would be ahead as he overall has finished in better positions than Perez. Because Perez has one 3rd place finish doesn't/shouldn't negate the fact that Hulkenburg has done a better job overall.

I understand why they don't do it the way I suggested as a lot of people wouldn't understand. Points are rather simple, but causes a lot of problems.

[NTS]

It wasn't skill though, it was the benefit of being in clear air for longer.

Not a fan of either Mercedes driver, but this discussion is getting ridiculous so I'm going to ask a question: How exactly did he get in clean air for longer? Was it by pure luck, or by qualifying faster than his direct competitor?

The number of posts both ways about how Lewis or Nico is such a better driver make no sense at all and frankly are very boring to read for non-fanboys. So please just wait for the end of the season, whoever has the most points after the last race is the best driver of the two and that's it.

[e30ernest]

IMO reliability and consistency should count. Nursing your car home while extracting the most speed out of it is a skill in itself.

It wasn't skill though, it was the benefit of being in clear air for longer.

That part of my post was about general care of machinery during a race, and not specifically for this race.

But since you mentioned it, we don't know for sure that clean air had anything to do with Lewis' brake failure. I think him running a more rearward brake bias would have contributed more to the failure than clean-air running. It is also more likely that he adjusted brake bias even more towards the rear when his MGU-K failed to compensate for the lack of rear braking.

[the user]

Yep, and his championship hopes shouldn't be wrecked because of a mechanical DNF. Same goes for Nico, Vettel, Alonso and every other driver. The driver with the most victories should win the WDC, 2nd-22nd place should be decided the same. Where did you finish throughout the entire season? Most 2nd place finishes well you get 2nd. So on and so forth. That IMO is fair to every driver and I don't think any of them would disagree.

You have a tie for most 2nd place finishes, well the tie breaker should be which of them have more 3rd place finishes. It's a really simple but extremely effective way to determine the WDC. Too bad the FIA aren't that intelligent.

So based on this idea, at this point in the season Perez would be in front of Hulkenberg in the standings. Which would be idiotic.

Don't think you understood what I was saying. Hulk would be ahead as he overall has finished in better positions than Perez. Because Perez has one 3rd place finish doesn't/shouldn't negate the fact that Hulkenburg has done a better job overall.

I understand why they don't do it the way I suggested as a lot of people wouldn't understand. Points are rather simple, but causes a lot of problems.

Usually simple is better. And it has worked ok for the last 25 years.

[turbof1]

IMO reliability and consistency should count. Nursing your car home while extracting the most speed out of it is a skill in itself.

It wasn't skill though, it was the benefit of being in clear air for longer.

That part of my post was about general care of machinery during a race, and not specifically for this race.

But since you mentioned it, we don't know for sure that clean air had anything to do with Lewis' brake failure. I think him running a more rearward brake bias would have contributed more to the failure than clean-air running. It is also more likely that he adjusted brake bias even more towards the rear when his MGU-K failed to compensate for the lack of rear braking.

Which is only natural to do - Rosberg did the same. If it pushes the brakes too hard, then it's up to the team to inform their divers about it.

It's a combination of both running in dirty air and missing out on mgu-k. Both apart would probably haven't led to the DNF, but the combination of both was too much.

[60DShim]

Usually simple is better. And it has worked ok for the last 25 years.

lol seriously? Are you new to F1? I can't fathom how many arguments I've read about how a championship was decided based on the points scoring system. If it was so great, why do they keep changing it?

How many times has it changed in the past 25 years?

[Juzh]

lol @ what this thread has become.

[Morteza]

Sergio Perez has been hit with a five place grid penalty for Austrian GP after FIA deemed him responsible for his accident with Felipe Massa.

[De Jokke]

Ow boy, one of the worst results did happen:

Lewis dnf + rosberg no win: merc all wins streak is broken. But Rosberg takes 18 points, can't get any worse. (ow yeah it can, massa who takes perez out and two rbr's on the podium).
What a shitty result. Really pissed at mercedes: their latest engine update has caused this, pretty sure about it. And then the brakes, well if you don't take any conclusions from friday testing, well than you are a bunch of fools. Well done merc =D> =D> =D> , you could have written history but you have decided to shoot yourself in the foot

Concerning the race (not the result!), a damn good race (action packed).

Concerning the WDC: Rosberg has all the luck in the world, 22 points lead because of two Lewis dnf's... what is there more to say. I hope Lewis can bounce back but this is A HUGE BLOW.

one point of optimism: despite the ers problem, what an advantage this car has, it was still racing the others (handicapped).

[Sevach]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpoqzP6CQAAkvM-.jpg

The stewards agreed.

[Morteza]

Max Chilton has been given a three-place grid penalty for the Austrian Grand Prix after colliding with Marussia team-mate Jules Bianchi.

[mnmracer]

https://vine.co/v/MD07j6lMTeW

[Bob Brown]

Max Chilton has been given a three-place grid penalty for the Austrian Grand Prix after colliding with Marussia team-mate Jules Bianchi.

You would think that they have a better penalty system than putting a backmarker at the back anyways.

[Juzh]

https://vine.co/v/MD07j6lMTeW

[WaikeCU]

Wow what a race!

First of all a big congratulations to Daniel for his first win! Welcome to the winning circle!

Now I can't not ignore the Hamilton vs Rosberg battle. It's a knife edge really. Rosberg cutting of Hamilton at the start was hard but fair. Not entirely sure, but I think Rosberg oversteered because he ran the inside kerb, which causes him taking the unnatural line on the way to turn 2 which squeezed Hamilton out.
The moment where Rosberg cut the chicane when he outbraked himself for the chicane was a bit controversial with Hamilton closing in on his gearbox because of DRS. Rosberg would have had horrible drive coming out of that chicane, but instead bailed out and took the shortcut. It gave him advantage on start/finish, because he managed to stretch the gap and basically cancel out Hamilton's what would've been DRS on start/finish and a big chance of taking the lead. I feel gutted for Hamilton tbh, because that's another DNF for him while being in front of his teammate. Melbourne he took pole, but already found out on the warming up lap to the grid that there was a loss in power of the engine unit. Today he came out in front of Rosberg after his seconds stop, but then the brakes failed on him. Props for Rosberg in taking the car home, but it was a lottery really when the car had so much issues.

The last lap incident between Massa and Perez was just simply Massa going all or nothing and Perez moving over when Massa dived into the gap. Perez having the blame seems reasonable since he had brake issues.