What went Worng in Kimi's car?

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.

Did Kimi himself screw up his car?

Poll ended at 14 Jun 2007, 19:10

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no
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What went Worng in Kimi's car?

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Has Ferrari disclose the reason behind the failure of Kimi's F2007??
Does anyone know it???????????????
Please do tell us know

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I believe it was the alternator in his car
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Yep,

alternator (or something about its electronics and/or wiring). Kimi couldn't have broken it by driving - he would have had to reach in and rip the wires out by hand to have anything to do with the problem. I just hope the mechanics weren't working on the alternator when this happened:

Once the seven-time champion had finished chatting to the media he went into the garage to say hello to his former mechanics and engineers. I'm told they stopped working on Raikkonen's car and rushed over to welcome Michael back the minute he put his head round the door. Which, if true, might just be another little irritant for the Finn - couldn't they save the catch-ups for a more suitable time?


Quote from BBC, David Croft's column, to be found here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A22642418

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The only case that I know of a driving style destroying a car was Takuma Sato and his duties at BAR. For some reason his driving style invoked alot of engine failures during the 2004 season I believe
Simon: Nils? You can close in now. Nils?
John McClane: [on the guard's phone] Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, ----head. So's his pal, and those four guys from the East German All-Stars, your boys at the bank? They're gonna be a little late.
Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.

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Marcus Gronholm and Paeter Solberg are the best examples I can think off, they both push so hard it really hurts their cars. Of course our Nige was most famous for battering his car to death, even once blowing his engine down the pitlane.
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m3_lover wrote:The only case that I know of a driving style destroying a car was Takuma Sato and his duties at BAR. For some reason his driving style invoked alot of engine failures during the 2004 season I believe
Are you serious? If you want to blame "driving style" for destryoing a car (which I disagree with), how can you ignore Raikkonen's statistics and only point out Sato's 2004 season? How was Sato's engine failures any different from Raikkonen's engine failures at McLaren? In the same 2004 season, Raikkonen had even more engine failures and worse reliability, yet you can dismiss Raikkonen's reliability troubles as issues with his car, but when it comes to Sato you blame the engine failures on his driving style? Personally I do not attribute the engine failures to be the fault of the driver in both cases, but rather to a combination of knife-edge engineering and bad luck. However, for you to blame Sato's driving for his failures, but not for Raikkonen is completely contradictory and actually goes against the evidence on hand.

I recall Honda admitting in 2004 that they had no idea why Sato had the reliability issues - they never blamed it on his driving style or anything he did for that matter.

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ConsFW wrote:I recall Honda admitting in 2004 that they had no idea why Sato had the reliability issues - they never blamed it on his driving style or anything he did for that matter.
I heard something about Honda blaming his shifting manner back then... :?

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modbaraban wrote:
ConsFW wrote:I recall Honda admitting in 2004 that they had no idea why Sato had the reliability issues - they never blamed it on his driving style or anything he did for that matter.
I heard something about Honda blaming his shifting manner back then... :?
You must be mistaken, how could they blame the shifting manner? It's an electro-hydraulically actuated gearbox - you pull the paddle (which is basically a switch) to change gears! There is no clutch, no linkage, no mechanical connection between the paddle and the gearbox. What you're saying is that Sato broke the elevator by the way he pressed the elevator button. :roll:

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checkered wrote:alternator (or something about its electronics and/or wiring). Kimi couldn't have broken it by driving - he would have had to reach in and rip the wires out by hand to have anything to do with the problem.
Who knows.

It wouldn't be the first time a team isn't telling the whole truth. ;) Like "we had a fuel pickup problem" meaning they run out of fuel. The alternator with all wiring is still a mechanical device. I'm sure you can cause issues to it, if you keep trashing the car over kerbs or whatever. One day it might be the alternator, the other day something else. I'm not saying Kimi caused it, but I'm saying there's a chance a driver can cause something like this.


...and someone else raised a good point on another thread. Kimi isn't 100% there for the mechanics, why would they do that extra 110% for him? Maybe someone didn't care to triple check something and it got loose? Maybe and maybe, we can only keep guessing, but either he's the most unlucky guy in F1 or there's something more behind it.


Interestingly, italian magazine Corriere della Sera had a reader survey about who they would like to be the #1 on Ferrari. They got 7353 answers, 86,7% voted for Massa. They said that Massa speaks italian and gives autographs and talks to the fans after the race. They also liked a lot that he's sympathic. According to them Kimi is just the opposite, he's sour, likes to be alone, doesn't give autographs and leaves the scene right after the race.

Mechanics are only humans as well. There's a good chance that Massas's car is getting more attention and love from the mechanics than Kimi's. Conspiracy theories or something to think about?
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I never said anything about Kimi Raikkoneon driving style nor do I want to comment on what happen with his car on sunday..just remembering a story about a drivers driving style affecting the car. I do not know if it was ever true but I did find this story at wikipedia

His overall points tally suffered due to a series of mechanical problems, particularly with his Honda engine. The lack of engine failures experienced by his team mate, Jenson Button led to suggestions that Sato's driving style was a significant factor in causing the engine failures.
Simon: Nils? You can close in now. Nils?
John McClane: [on the guard's phone] Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, ----head. So's his pal, and those four guys from the East German All-Stars, your boys at the bank? They're gonna be a little late.
Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.

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pRo wrote:Interestingly, italian magazine Corriere della Sera had a reader survey about who they would like to be the #1 on Ferrari. They got 7353 answers, 86,7% voted for Massa. They said that Massa speaks italian and gives autographs and talks to the fans after the race. They also liked a lot that he's sympathic. According to them Kimi is just the opposite, he's sour, likes to be alone, doesn't give autographs and leaves the scene right after the race.
Kimi is a completely different personality altogether, why dont they realise this...drivers shud nt do things just bcoz the fans like it..and even the Italian press crucified Massa after the Malaysian GP for throwing it off the road...what about that eh?
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ConsFW wrote:
modbaraban wrote:
ConsFW wrote:I recall Honda admitting in 2004 that they had no idea why Sato had the reliability issues - they never blamed it on his driving style or anything he did for that matter.
I heard something about Honda blaming his shifting manner back then... :?
You must be mistaken, how could they blame the shifting manner? It's an electro-hydraulically actuated gearbox - you pull the paddle (which is basically a switch) to change gears! There is no clutch, no linkage, no mechanical connection between the paddle and the gearbox. What you're saying is that Sato broke the elevator by the way he pressed the elevator button. :roll:
I know how it works. I meant TIMING and gear selection :roll: Like using downshift for engine breaking too often might be harmful for the engine for instance.

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What I believe is that he s just aggressive in the corners, bumping the car on the chicanes...shock created at the half shafts, when the spinning wheel hits the ground again.
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ds.raikkonen wrote:
pRo wrote:Interestingly, italian magazine Corriere della Sera had a reader survey about who they would like to be the #1 on Ferrari. They got 7353 answers, 86,7% voted for Massa. They said that Massa speaks italian and gives autographs and talks to the fans after the race. They also liked a lot that he's sympathic. According to them Kimi is just the opposite, he's sour, likes to be alone, doesn't give autographs and leaves the scene right after the race.
Kimi is a completely different personality altogether, why dont they realise this...drivers shud nt do things just bcoz the fans like it.
I'm sure they do realize it...and that's the issue. I'm also sure they wouldn't care how he behaved, if he was the Schumacher replacement he was supposed to be. But now that Massa seems to be just as fast, if not faster, the personality surely doesn't help him.

Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed his races in the past and wish him all the best in the future.

In the end the drivers drive for their fans and they should do things because the fans like it. Especially when it's not too much they are asking for. I'm sure every driver is pissed if they don't finish the race, but most can still give their fans a little time before disappearing. There would be no F1, if there weren't any fans.
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