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FoxHound wrote:
Do you not think Rosberg was going for a shrinking gap that would always result in contact?
Rosberg was in the shrinking gap, not going for one.
FoxHound wrote:
Vettel tried the same move but thought discretion the better part of valour by going over the corner.
Now we have established what ought to have happened rather than Rosberg holding a line he knew would result in contact.
Vettel out braked himself ended up in the runoff and damaged his floor, NR was well within the track limits, so why should he go off the track to avoid LH
But if Hamilton is on the racing line heading into the corner, and the next corner is a left hander, how do you propose Rosberg was not heading into a shrinking gap?
If you have ever raced, you know before the corner that this shrinking gap would mean contact.
Did LH go into the Right hander from the racing line? NO. So why should he cut to the racing line for the left hander?
I hate getting argumentative with you or anyone, so this will be my last point on this topic.
> Hamilton good enough to win without getting himself distracted
> Need not take risks that are going to be counter productive to your WDC goal irrespective of the other drivers position/motive
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Did LH go into the Right hander from the racing line? NO. So why should he cut to the racing line for the left hander?
Because it´s his corner. This is normal F1 overtaking and everyone has gotten the memo for several years except Rosberg who decided to not do that yesterday.
And i want you to read the following words very carefully now. Rosberg did the exact same thing in Canada, pushed out Hamilton to the point where he lost 2nd place. What was the reaction? There was none. Why? Because it´s normal.
Should also be said that Hamilton did not have just his little front wing dangling on the outside, he was almost fully alongside.
This is how you deal with it being on the outside. You back out of it and deal with it. Period.
It´s one thing to sit and say "yea i´m sorry i misjudged the situation" but it´s another to say "yea i wanted to make a point".
In my opinion that sort of attitude should get you banned from the sport altogether.
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Did LH go into the Right hander from the racing line? NO. So why should he cut to the racing line for the left hander?
I hate getting argumentative with you or anyone, so this will be my last point on this topic.
> Hamilton good enough to win without getting himself distracted
> Need not take risks that are going to be counter productive to your WDC goal irrespective of the other drivers position/motive
There are several professional racing drivers who completely disagree with you on this. Who is right, the experienced professional racing drivers, or you?
If a picture is worth a thousand words, a GIF must be worth a few million. As others have said, there is plenty of space for Nico to avoid contact. It's hard to say LH closed the door here really. People see what they want to see
If a picture is worth a thousand words, a GIF must be worth a few million. As others have said, there is plenty of space for Nico to avoid contact. It's hard to say LH closed the door here really. People see what they want to see
I could say the same thing for Lewis, there is plenty of space for him on right.
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CriXus wrote:
I could say the same thing for Lewis, there is plenty of space for him on right.
But he's clearly ahead? If we went by your rules, everybody would be pulling over letting the driver behind through
I don't understand why everyone thinks the driver ahead has to jump out of the way the moment a car behind makes any kind of move. That's just not how racing works.
If Nico was further up, say wheel up as far as Hamilton's side pod, then yes Hamilton should leave room, but in this situation he is clearly entitled to take the racing line, and it's Rosberg's duty to avoid contact, which he could have done very easily without losing any ground.
Thanks, shows exactly what the following driver should do in the situation. And Lewis was further up on Rosberg than what we saw in Spa too.
I agree. case closed. Racing incident with Rosberg at fault but it also means he shouldn't get a penalty from the stewards which he didn't, Mercedes however.
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SilverArrow10 wrote:
I agree. case closed. Racing incident with Rosberg at fault but it also means he shouldn't get a penalty from the stewards which he didn't, Mercedes however.
He might still get something from the stewards, as they can re-open an investigation if they want to. Even if nothing else that was said behind close doors it true but the "I could have avoided it" line.
If Ross Brawn was still there nothing would have happened! Remember Malaysia 2013! No1 and No2! That's how you clear a championship!! Paddy Lowe has no idea of these kind of things! That's what he did at Mclaren and that's why they lost 2010 and 2012 championships...and Hamilton at the end!!
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Interesting as all of this back and forth may be concerning who is to blame and by how much, or to what degree, I personally would find it far more interesting to assess reactions were the roles to have been reversed.
To set the scene:
Lewis Hamilton has claimed pole position from his team mate, Nico Rosberg. Nico produces a blinding start to take the lead. Hamilton is also jumped by Vettel, who subsequently goes off track at the end of the Kemmel straight.
At the end of the first lap Lewis has edged up to the back of Nico's car, and has a first look into La Source. He gets great drive up the hill and gets the slipstream down Kemmel. Rosberg goes defensive and Hamilton draws alongside as they reach the breaking zone.
Rosberg hits the apex of the chicane, Hamilton follows round the outside, losing ground, but maintaining a line into the immediately following left-hander. Rosberg assumes the optimal line and they touch! Hamilton loses his right front end-plate and some wing elements. Rosberg pulls ahead, but it is immediately apparent his tyre has been punctured by the contact.
Rosberg crawls back to the pits, his race effectively over. Hamilton is able to recover, and scores an invaluable 1st/2nd place.
Now, I know that it is difficult to be objective at the best of times, and in this case I would like you to be objectively subjective, but how would you have reacted if Hamilton had shredded Rosberg's tyre?
Also:
1) How would management have reacted after the race? Any different to what we have seen?
2) What would Rosberg have said after the race? Hamilton did it on purpose?
3) What would Hamilton have claimed? He was making a point?
4) Do you think Hamilton would have handled the move differently? Made it stick, pulled out etc...?
5) Who would be to blame? Still 90% Rosberg's fault (I'm just gauging the mood of the room here)?
