Why 1000bhp cars?

[wuzak]

I agree with the OP. We will get there in a few years under the current rules. I would like to see an increase in MGUK power and per-lap energy limits. Front axle kinetic energy harvesting is also a very exciting prospect - with or without AWD. These changes would get us to 1000+ hp immediately, then taper the fuel flow limit down over subsequent seasons (as ICE outputs increase) to maintain power levels around the 1000 hp mark.

Maybe F1 could follow the Le Mans example and set storage limits and power usage based on whether two wheels or four are used to recover braking energy, and whether two or 4 wheel drive is used.

[riff_raff]

F1 cars producing 1000hp may or may not be a problem. It depends largely on the track the cars are racing on. A 1000hp F1 car is probably not a good idea at Monaco. But 1000hp F1 cars would probably be safe at some of the newer circuits.

[Wayne DR]

I think people are confusing last year numbers with present numbers. Mercedes was probably around 800, but never 850. We'll get pretty close to 1000bhp, but I don't think it is possible to go over that 'magic' number.

There is one thing to add: if the fuel limit gets removed, we'll be looking at figure quite beyond 1000bhp. 1200-1300bhp aren't far off actually. 1000bhp shouldn't be the focus point, just the bare minimum.

I agree that the fuel limit should definitely be lifted to say 120kg/hour (maintaining the 100kg limit per race), and/or increase the MGU-K power limit by 100-150hp to 260-310hp with an 8MJ battery, and you would be well in the range of 1000hp.

To me a minor change is all that is needed. The level of investment in these power units to date by Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Honda, doesn't make it cost effective to change right now. (I am looking forward to the all electric pit lane in 2017...)

[J.A.W.]

F1 cars producing 1000hp may or may not be a problem. It depends largely on the track the cars are racing on. A 1000hp F1 car is probably not a good idea at Monaco. But 1000hp F1 cars would probably be safe at some of the newer circuits.

Well, r-r, apparently the likes of Gerhard Berger, who drove "1000hp" Benetton BMW-turbo F1s around Monaco
~30 years ago - thinks the sport would benefit - from having just as much power again..

Alain Prost seemed to go ok there too, - unless it rained while he was in the tunnel, - like in `82..

[mclaren111]

I agree with Nikki Lauda. Go up to 1200bhp.

Let the FIA set rules regarding the min from the ICE and ERS.

Manufacturers can decide how to achieve this best. Increase feul to 150/160kg at least.

After All - this is Racing

[wuzak]

The issue isn't just power. It is also downforce and grip.

If you have 1000hp and the grip of, say, an F2004 then the cornering speeds could be problematic.

They do need more downforce, but too much would be a bad thing.

If 2004 speeds were safe then, they could be today. But going too much faster is an issue.

[Tim.Wright]

Yes exactly,

The 1000hp is absolutely not important for anything other than penis size comparison as the cars are already laping faster than any other series can. And while its commercially important that F1 maintains the biggest dick of all race series, its more important that the resulting racing is entertaining to watch.

This simultaneous talk of 1000hp and wider tyres are a bit non-sensical because they are two effects which cancel each other out. More power and more grip will only make the cars faster but not much more difficult to drive. The end result will be a reduction in safety and no corresponding improvement to the show.

I believe its more important to have a large imbalance between rear grip (=stability) and power. The cars are too stable now at high speed thanks to large rear wings and the rear diffuser. A rule stating concave only surfaces with a minimum radius in certain parts of the body work will do the job of deleting most of the downforce producing elements. This will make 1000hp actually fun to watch.

The safety measures have improved out of sight in the last 10-20 years, so lets start using them...

[WaikeCU]

- The seperation of boys and men.
- Pushing the limits of strength and stamina of both car and driver
- New challenges for teams and engineers
- Creating excitement of man and machine

[Juzh]

I agree that the fuel limit should definitely be lifted to say 120kg/hour (maintaining the 100kg limit per race), and/or increase the MGU-K power limit by 100-150hp to 260-310hp with an 8MJ battery, and you would be well in the range of 1000hp.

Fantasy. Where and how are you gonna recover 8MJ, when on some circuits care are struggling to get more than 2MJ?

[turbof1]

Oh but let's not forget they are only harvesting brake energy of the rear. Let them harvest energy from the front too and you'll be doubling the harvesting.

[henry]

Oh but let's not forget they are only harvesting brake energy of the rear. Let them harvest energy from the front too and you'll be doubling the harvesting.

You would need MGUs connected to the wheels in excess of 300KW. even then many circuits would not allow all 8MJ to be recovered.

[turbof1]

No but comes a lot closer atleast.

[Facts Only]

No but comes a lot closer atleast.

You get Harvesting from the MGU-H as well.

[thedutchguy]

This simultaneous talk of 1000hp and wider tyres are a bit non-sensical because they are two effects which cancel each other out. More power and more grip will only make the cars faster but not much more difficult to drive. The end result will be a reduction in safety and no corresponding improvement to the show.

Cars which go faster would be very nice. On tracks that require high-downforce, F1 cars were up to 10 seconds slower than in 2004 in race trim, when f1 was at its peak.

Personally I like the tech behind F1, but the spectacle for the casual viewer has been severly reduced by the lawnmower engines. GP2 might be slower, but in real life I can tell you that the are more spectacular to watch trackside because of the noise they make.

If F1 would increase the power and grip that would mean higher cornering speeds (= more exciting to watch) and more noise due to the increased RPM's, which might actually make them sound like proper race cars again.

[hollus]

10 seconds? I see your 10 and raise to 15!
Last time we were exaggerating, it was only 8 seconds slower: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=20481, but never mind the facts: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 51#p540851