I agree, but I am thinking more from a next year perspective when McLaren Honda should be more competitive. The current Black and Red livery suits very well with Coca Cola Zero colors. In fact if McLaren was to switch to White and Red livery of 80s, the mother brand - Coca Cola, would fit very well with that as well.turbof1 wrote:Quite low. I get where you are coming from; the livery would perfectly fit a Coca Cola Zero sponsoring, but social media would utterly destroy the reputation of both (something like Zero sugar, Zero horsepower)
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It would sound positive, it's the guys in woking. I tihnk we're all agreed that they're only 3-7 tenths of the 2.5 second problem...Thunders wrote:Button on Peter Prodromou and the Guys in Woking. Sounds very positive.
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I really feel for Honda that this is the perception.ChrisF1 wrote:It would sound positive, it's the guys in woking. I tihnk we're all agreed that they're only 3-7 tenths of the 2.5 second problem...Thunders wrote:Button on Peter Prodromou and the Guys in Woking. Sounds very positive.
I don't think it's justifiable to expect a team like McLaren to maintain a 1.7 second deficit in terms of aero performance. The team has pumped out good aero designs year after year, and with the exception of 2009 and 2014 has had a very high hit rate. Looking at 2009, it's clear that the team are perfectly capable of understanding issues with aero design and fixing them. Looking at the 2015 car, it's clear that the team have made significant aero changes.mrluke wrote:I really feel for Honda that this is the perception.ChrisF1 wrote:It would sound positive, it's the guys in woking. I tihnk we're all agreed that they're only 3-7 tenths of the 2.5 second problem...Thunders wrote:Button on Peter Prodromou and the Guys in Woking. Sounds very positive.
From Melbourne to Suzuka in 2014 the average gap from the best qualifying Mclaren to Pole was 1.708s
For the same period in 2015 (excluding sepang due to in Q1) was 2.818.
You could make the argument that the difference between a 1st Gen Honda and a 2nd Gen Mercedes PU is 1.1s on average. But laying the blame at Hondas door for the 1.7s deficit carried forward from 2014 is unjustifiable.
For the majority of races the difference between Mclarens 2014 and 2015 qualifying time is less than 0.5s
mrluke wrote:
I really feel for Honda that this is the perception.
I can trawl through the data for 2013 as well if you think that would help but I expect the picture to be much the same.Moose wrote:I don't think it's justifiable to expect a team like McLaren to maintain a 1.7 second deficit in terms of aero performance. The team has pumped out good aero designs year after year, and with the exception of 2009 and 2014 has had a very high hit rate. Looking at 2009, it's clear that the team are perfectly capable of understanding issues with aero design and fixing them. Looking at the 2015 car, it's clear that the team have made significant aero changes.
While I agree that it's not possible to tell if it's honda's fault, I think it's unreasonable to simply say "the gap was 1.7 seconds in 2014, therefore 1.7 seconds of the gap in 2015 is aero".
Further to that, some of the gap in 2014 was known to be engine based - McLaren were not the works team, and more so, did not even have the fancy pants package that Williams bought. They certainly were not running the Mercedes engine as well as it could be run.
More so, even looking at lap times this year and observing where the car is slow does not give us a clear picture of where the McLaren's weaknesses lie, simply because its aero setup has clearly been biased towards straight line speed in order to compensate for a weak engine.
FACT its 161bhp...diffuser wrote:mrluke wrote:
I really feel for Honda that this is the perception.
At this point it is more than Perception. Even Arai has said that the KERS runs out of Juice long before everyone else.
FACT McLaren Honda are short on 180bhp for long periods of a lap(the amount of time depends on the circuit).
Don't worry Honda will get over it. Beside 3 out 4 PU manufactures got it wrong and none of them had the time constrains that Honda had.