Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

[Rob W]

Well, unlikely as it may seem Danish toys and the Formula One espionage case have now met. El Pais has produced a LEGO dramatisation of the (call it as you see it) affair thus far...

OH my god! That is amazing

Awesome animation in that link Checkered. Good find.

Rob W

[flynfrog]

Well, unlikely as

it may seem Danish toys and the Formula One espionage case have now met. El Pais has produced a LEGO dramatisation of the (call it as you see it) affair thus far, featuring figurines I guess many of us are familiar with. Moments of drama and silliness, with a touch of the absurd ... a point of view captured in time, a microcosm revealed of a story, its selected protagonists and the online bit-bards that compiled their synthesis of the saga. I know I was amused and appreciated the effort.

La trama de espionaje McLaren - Ferrari (link)


"Nigel, che è quella polvere bianca?"
Image linked from http://www.ddavid.com

that was awsome

[Mikey_s]

I loved Ron's chair in the McLaren HQ

[Scuderia_Russ]

haven't got time to watch it. Did Ron have Lego tears?

[checkered]

haven't got time to watch it. Did Ron have Lego tears?

He did have

tears, not sure if they were the LEGO kind. He fainted, too and de la Rosa and Hamilton went to revive him. And yes, Ron's HQ chair chuckled me up, too. In the meantime, the Red Mist seems to have cleared - for now. Publisher Lorie Coffey:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62911

All you need to know is that Red Mist Books will not be publishing it. I understand from Mr Stepney that he still intends to produce the book another way.

Ferrari have made it clear they had nothing to do with the withdrawal.

[Rob W]

...Red Mist Books will not be publishing it. I understand from Mr Stepney that he still intends to produce the book another way.

Ferrari have made it clear they had nothing to do with the withdrawal.

WhatEVA!

Ferrari have nothing to do with it .. More like they reminded the publisher that there is about to be a court case in which the theft of intellectual property is a key issue. Not many publishers would risk getting involved in a book which they're highly likely to be prevented/delayed from publishing.

(As I said in another thread - criminals rarely have the opportunity to profit from writing books about their antics nowdays)

Rob W

[Fan Solo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62933

LDM is off again - I wonder how many years he can he can hide his own teams deficiencies behind this one?

Get over yourself ffs! you been beat by a rookie, take it like a man!

[Spencifer_Murphy]

LMAO? Sounds like sour grapes to me. I loved the comment:

"There is a lot of Ferrari in his car"

by di Montezemelo

If there is so much Ferrari in his car why did Ferrari not push further to have them excluded and why did this whole thing take so long. Fact of the matter is that IF the Mclaren realy does have Ferrari designed parts inside of it, then there aren't that many of them as it took months to find them and prove their existnce.

(Not that that makes it any less bad that Mclaren have those parts in their car, if indeed it is true that they do)

[Tom]

If its so close to a Ferrari then surely Ferrari should at least be able to equal it, inface if its anything less than 100% Ferrari then LDM is basically admitting Mclaren is a faster team than them because it has to be the % that isn't Ferrari that's causing Mclaren to run away with the titles.

[FLC]

What about the percents that left Ferrari without some of their important developments and which probably ruined their regular program? Those that took them a step back and boosted McLaren's as they knew all along what was going on?
What about those that fed McLaren live information on Ferrari's strategy? Where do they go?
Where do those who forced Ferrari to use many necessary resources on other things than racing for a few good months go?

Anyone who says this championship isn't tainted is lying to himself. We have no possible way to know who is the righteous constructors champion, nor the drivers, and it is all thanks to the acts of the most "decent" team on the grid.

[DaveKillens]

Of course the Championship is tained, there will always be lingering doubts. But there are many examples and years when the Championship was tained. For instance 2002 in Austria, where Barrichello slowed down to allow Schumacher the win. The Japanese GP of 1976 is questionable, because it really was too unsafe to race. Lauda did the correct thing, but Hunt was willing to risk it all and took the title.
The history of F1 is littered with questionable events, and in the end we just have to accept the final outcome. And of course, in anything questionable, there will be at least two sides, each proclaiming innocence, and the other victimization.
Basically, the Ferrari and McLaren are very well matched, no one obtaining a maked advantage, but instead changing places in superiority. This makes for good competition, and an exciting title race. The major differences between these two cars and teams is reliability and mistakes. Truth is, Ferrari are making more mistakes, and suffering more unreliability. If they could get their s--t together, this team most likely would be leading. But they aren't, and that's just the situation we now see.
Get over it, take off the rose-colored glasses and crying towel, and enjoy the excelleent racing.

[nae]

and there is more to come yet

' In recent days we have received (unsolicited) communication from Nigel Stepney which raises a number of questions which have not been touched on in the scandal to date. Stepney says that he believes Ferrari have been let off surprisingly lightly by the FIA. He says that there is a point that everyone is missing because they are assuming that the flow of information to Mike Coughlan was a one-way flow and that Ferrari did not gain anything. There is no evidence at all that Stepney was being paid to pass on information and he says that it was rather more simple than that.

"I got information about when they [McLaren] were stopping," Stepney says. "I got weight distribution, I got other aspects of various parts of their car from him [Coughlan]. Ferrari got off very lightly. I was their employee at the time. I was aware of certain stuff they were doing at tests, fuel levels, for example. I knew what fuel level they were running. I think they should have been docked points personally. The question is: Did I use the information, did I talk about it?' That's the big question. I spoke to some people about it. I can't prove it, there are no e-mails or anything. Points about the fuel and the differences [between Ferrari and McLaren] were discussed inside. As well as McLaren having an advantage, did Ferrari have an advantage? I think so."

So is Stepney surprised that Ferrari got off entirely without penalty?

"Very surprised," he says. "It looks like information flowing only one way. No one has been balancing the argument. No one has asked the question. They were thinking Mike was asking the questions and I was answering them."'



taken from

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19720.html

[Scuderia_Russ]

If its so close to a Ferrari then surely Ferrari should at least be able to equal it, inface if its anything less than 100% Ferrari then LDM is basically admitting Mclaren is a faster team than them because it has to be the % that isn't Ferrari that's causing Mclaren to run away with the titles.

McLaren as a racing organisation are clearly one of the best in the world. Allied with information from a nother team that is one of the best in the world effectively creates a 'super F1 car' that has pushed them from winning zero races last year to be leading thye Wold Championship on all fronts! Mmmmm, all down to Alonso and his development work, I don't think so.

[Scuderia_Russ]

...Red Mist Books will not be publishing it. I understand from Mr Stepney that he still intends to produce the book another way.

Ferrari have made it clear they had nothing to do with the withdrawal.

WhatEVA!

Ferrari have nothing to do with it

How the hell do you know they did --- stirrer? Just because keyboard heroes such as yourself want to believe it doesn't mean it's true. (unfortunately for you)

[Torso]

Honda was caught with illigal fueltanks and BANNED+race results stricken.

Why is McLaren not banned??????????????????

Why are not McLarens drivers results stricken????????????

This championship will have a winner that everybody knows won partly because they had access to stolen information about the closest competitors car and race strategies.

It`s CRAZY that Hamilton and Alonso keeps their points!!

Remember 1994, Schumacher got race banns BECAUSE HE FOLLOWE D A TEAM ORDER TO IGNORE A BLACK FLAG!

WELL WHY ISN`T HAMILTON GETTING ANY RACE BANS!???

THIS SPORT IS A CORRUPT JOKE!!! AND DENNIS OWNS IT!