iotar__ wrote: - Abiteboul - managing director
So glad that they have given him such an important job. I think he is THE most talented person in F1 right now.
iotar__ wrote: - Abiteboul - managing director
I think now Ferrari and maybe McLaren-Honda are in a better position than Renault for the future.Facts Only wrote:It seems that Renault are definitely positioning themselves to be on top when the Mercedes powerhouse starts to wane, just as Mercedes were ready when Red Bull started to lose their dominance. Give it 3-5 years and Renault will be taking home championships, in readying for that there will be a lot of infrastructure and personal investment at Enstone.
Ferrari are always there or there-abouts and will always be a threat.Joseki wrote:I think now Ferrari and maybe McLaren-Honda are in a better position than Renault for the future.Facts Only wrote:It seems that Renault are definitely positioning themselves to be on top when the Mercedes powerhouse starts to wane, just as Mercedes were ready when Red Bull started to lose their dominance. Give it 3-5 years and Renault will be taking home championships, in readying for that there will be a lot of infrastructure and personal investment at Enstone.
Because the MP4-31 was a much better car than the E23, Woking have more people and probably more prepared (we know most of the best guys at Enstone changed team in the last couple of years) and I think have better facilities.Facts Only wrote:Ferrari are always there or there-abouts and will always be a threat.Joseki wrote:I think now Ferrari and maybe McLaren-Honda are in a better position than Renault for the future.Facts Only wrote:It seems that Renault are definitely positioning themselves to be on top when the Mercedes powerhouse starts to wane, just as Mercedes were ready when Red Bull started to lose their dominance. Give it 3-5 years and Renault will be taking home championships, in readying for that there will be a lot of infrastructure and personal investment at Enstone.
McLaren Honda? why would you think they are in a better position? Mclarens cars have been getting worse and the Honda engine program has been a disaster thus far. They are also too separated (by distance, culture and language) and the relationship already seems strained. I see that partnership crashing a burning.
Renault on the other hand have been winning sporadically for over 20 years, a lot of it out of the Enstone base, they know what to do and now they seem to be spending the money.
So their annual budget is just 30 million? That's nonsenseFW17 wrote:300 million is over 10 yearsScuderia1967 wrote:Speaking of sponsors, Yotaphone, Altran, Richard Mille and Saxo Bank are gone. As is, of course, PDVSA. Seems that the (alleged) 300 million budget will come almost exclusively from Renault's pocket...
I know all that, but it doesn't counter the fact that so many companies dropped out since last year. Maybe they, like Romain Grosjean, jumped from what they saw as a sinking ship...iotar__ wrote:Basically but A. it's a trend in F1, see McLaren. B. It's overall marketing profit that counts like with Mercedes (despite "losses") and Red Bull (that's why they stayed), the tricky part is you need top results. Also:Scuderia1967 wrote:Speaking of sponsors, Yotaphone, Altran, Richard Mille and Saxo Bank are gone. As is, of course, PDVSA. Seems that the (alleged) 300 million budget will come almost exclusively from Renault's pocket...
- they get money for nothing from Ecclestone - this part covers more than small sponsors mentioned
- Jack&Jones = Magnussen is an evil pay driver, just like Maldonado and so is Palmer of course
- money for engines from Red Bull
- Infinity money they used to pay to RB
- more from Total
About management:
- Stoll
- Abiteboul - managing director
- Vasseur - racing director; Bell - chief technical officer
... They could have left all this shananigans. i was hyped up for some yellow gravy and then all we got was....well....an even blacker lotus, really. especially seeing the blue-yellow formula E car there got me very curious.GoranF1 wrote:https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 2316078084
They are doing the same as McLaren for the past two years, calling it an interim livery, waiting for a big sponsor to take it. If you already make it colorful and pretty, nobody will put it's name on there (let's not forget the blue/yellow/orange ING debacle)Manoah2u wrote:I was hyped up for some yellow gravy and then all we got was....well....an even blacker lotus, really. especially seeing the blue-yellow formula E car there got me very curious.GoranF1 wrote:https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 2316078084
so yeah, i admit, i really felt had and that kinda put me down. im happy that this is just interim though.
yeh, Renault have powered half of the last 24 WCCsFacts Only wrote:Ferrari are always there or there-abouts and will always be a threat.Joseki wrote:I think now Ferrari and maybe McLaren-Honda are in a better position than Renault for the future.Facts Only wrote:It seems that Renault are definitely positioning themselves to be on top when the Mercedes powerhouse starts to wane, just as Mercedes were ready when Red Bull started to lose their dominance. Give it 3-5 years and Renault will be taking home championships, in readying for that there will be a lot of infrastructure and personal investment at Enstone.
McLaren Honda? why would you think they are in a better position? Mclarens cars have been getting worse and the Honda engine program has been a disaster thus far. They are also too separated (by distance, culture and language) and the relationship already seems strained. I see that partnership crashing a burning.
Renault on the other hand have been winning sporadically for over 20 years, a lot of it out of the Enstone base, they know what to do and now they seem to be spending the money.