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All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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HKS
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Golden rings on the intake are SEV
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What is Orga Ion system SEV?

Orga Ion System has made it possible to ionize materials (gas, liquid, and solid) by combining metal with radium ore. Orga Japan Inc set out its research with the idea "Could we change the air itself rather than mechanically modifying parts and devices?" After more than 20 years research and development on ionizing technology, they finally have achieved amazing result of increasing power level without making any mechanical changes on the existing automobile system. Although primary application is to intake and exhaust, this ionizing technology also can be applied to many materials including metal, rubber, and oil. Application of SEV to suspension, drive train system, brake system, and tires results in a material improvement of each system. The proof of the benefit of SEV system is found in the Formula Nippon car racing.


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Application to intake. SEV ionizes oxygen molecule (O2) in the intake into two separate O atoms. This change sharply reduces the heat loss produced by mixing oxygen with fuel. Furthermore, the air is collection of molecule. As such, the air produces some friction (resistance) when it travels inside of intake. The higher the rev of a motor becomes, the bigger the friction will be and the higher the resistance of the air movement in the intake. SEV ionizes the oxygen reducing the friction and the same time increasing the efficiency of combustion.

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Application to exhaust. SEV produces a difference of electric potential at the place it is installed. That difference generates a pulling force and the exhaust flow becomes more efficient. The impact on the motor from the exhaust pressure is significantly reduced. You can hear the difference simply paying attention to the change on motor noise.

How much horsepower increase can you expect?
Based on Junich (J's racing president)'s experience, SEV regular set adds 6 to 10 horse power to S2000, and Racing special version will increase the horse power by 15 to 20 with J's raicng reprogrammed N1 computer..


Isn't it better to fit in a Performance Air Filter and a Free flow instead of SEV?

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Snake oil.

DaveKillens
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Where do you get the energy to ionize such a large mass of air? Electricity isn't free, and you have to utilize a larger alternator to generate more power.
And if this air management philosophy is so good, how come it isn't on large commercial airliners where saving just one percent of fuel burn is worth millions of dollars saved?

Belatti
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I have heard similar things many years ago, there are some auto parts Aftermarket shops that sell a permanent magnet for $10 to "Ionize" air in admision ducts so you gain 20% more power and 30% less fuel consumption. :shock: :shock: :shock: WHAT A BIG PIECE OF B**LSH*T!!!
Even there are some ignorant people that buy those things ](*,)

Ionizing air with that mass amount and speed, as DaveKillens said, is not free!

Now, we could discuss if its worth or not such a system only with plenty of Dyno hours to compare results in an engine with and without it.
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:D :D My Favourite Automotive Snake Oil is the Electric Turbocharger :D :D
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2063/article.h

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DaveKillens wrote:And if this air management philosophy is so good, how come it isn't on large commercial airliners where saving just one percent of fuel burn is worth millions of dollars saved?
Actually, ionizing fuel prior to delivery into the combustor of a turbine engine is something that was seriously studied by the turbine engine manufacturers here in the US. Don't know what the result of those studies was, but the theoretical benefits were quite substantial.

As for the "Orga Ion" system and its "radium ore", that sounds pretty sketchy to me. Besides, how do you legitimately market a product to the general public with a potentially radioactive material in it?

Plus, the description of the chemical oxidation reaction in that post would be laughed at by anyone with a high school level organic chemistry education.
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I can't see it being too popular as Radium decays into Radon gas which is highly radioactive (although it does accour naturally). Although only alpha radiation it's a gas so it can be inhaled and as there are no "safe" limits for this I can't see anyone being too keen to work on a car that uses it. I would've thought that they'd try UV light as this splits (dissociation) O2 to O+O although you could well get ozone (O3) forming which isn't great.

That aside theoretically it could increase the volume of air being moved by using a electric current to acelerate the gas but I'm not sure that you'd see any great increase in power and you'll probably use more ionising the gas safely in the first place.