2016 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, Fri 10 – Sun 12 Jun

[f1316]

I think to say ricciardo 'should' have won Spain is a stretch. Ferrari had much stronger race pace so they 'should' have beaten Red Bull. Mercedes had strongest pace of all do 'should' have not run into each other.

It's kind of vague. Mercedes 'should' have won no doubt, but Red Bull did outqualify Ferrari, which is very important in the race due track position. So it's perhaps a stretch that Ferrari 'should' have won it, but equally it's a stretch to say Ricciardo 'should' have won it. You can get out of that reasoning it would always have been very, very tight between Ferrari and Red Bull.

Canada might be a different ball park however. I'm hugely interested to see what the new Renault engine can do in anger.

Agreed but let's not forget that according to most sources we're yet to see the Ferrari PU properly run in anger this year. If this has been fixed with the new turbo I'm most interested to see the difference there.

[Vasconia]

Canada will be wet. HAM, VET and VES will battle for the victory.

Why not Ricicardo? he should be a contender.

Is Verstappen that good with rain?

If it rains Hamilton will win. But I would like to see Nico doing a good race under rain, its about time Nico!

[dans79]

But I would like to see Nico doing a good race under rain, its about time Nico!

if he has competition breathing down his neck, I don't see it!

[kptaylor]

Wet? Well, maybe VES will meet up with the Wall of Champions!

[oetger]

Canada will be wet. HAM, VET and VES will battle for the victory.

Is Verstappen that good with rain?

When you have time

http://www.gpupdate.net/nl/videos/5043/ ... norisring/

[LionKing]

I think the point djos was wanting to make was that frukostscones elected Verstappen as a potential candidate for the win, but not Ricciardo. No disrespect meant versus Verstappen, but concerning what the driver can do Ricciardo has bested Verstappen at every stap in the 2 races they drove the same car. It would therefore not be logical to elect Verstappen but not Ricciardo.

Verstappen was 1 sec behind Ricciardo most of the race in Spain. He was as fast as Daniel there. He also put in very fast times before crashing in Monaco. I remember a couple of fastest laps before he crashed.

[turbof1]

I think the point djos was wanting to make was that frukostscones elected Verstappen as a potential candidate for the win, but not Ricciardo. No disrespect meant versus Verstappen, but concerning what the driver can do Ricciardo has bested Verstappen at every stap in the 2 races they drove the same car. It would therefore not be logical to elect Verstappen but not Ricciardo.

Verstappen was 1 sec behind Ricciardo most of the race in Spain. He was as fast as Daniel there. He also put in very fast times before crashing in Monaco. I remember a couple of fastest laps before he crashed.

But he did not beat him if we purely consider with the driver can do (and frankly I still feel Ricciardo beat Verstappen atleast on the occasions where it truly mattered). And that's the point: If you are going to consider Verstappen for a chance for victory in Canada, then there's no reason to consider Ricciardo as well.

Again, that's nothing to do with my view on Verstappen (which I believe will be a future WDC). It's just logic. I also do note I do not want to come across as if Verstappen did bad. He did very, very well in Spain and did show good speed in Monaco.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

No disrespect meant versus Verstappen, but concerning what the driver can do Ricciardo has bested Verstappen at every stap in the 2 races they drove the same car. It would therefore not be logical to elect Verstappen but not Ricciardo.

2 races they drove the same car? Spain agreed, but Monaco? Ric had the only one available, new configuration PU fitted on his car. Spain was the first outing in A BRAND NEW CAR and A BRAND NEW TEAM, without any previous experience of that car, still managed to keep an experience driver behind and won. Qualitative analysis still favors Verstappen, even if it is only these two races. Canada should definitely offer the first signs of their competitiveness.

[Andres125sx]

No disrespect meant versus Verstappen, but concerning what the driver can do Ricciardo has bested Verstappen at every stap in the 2 races they drove the same car. It would therefore not be logical to elect Verstappen but not Ricciardo.

2 races they drove the same car? Spain agreed, but Monaco? Ric had the only one available, new configuration PU fitted on his car. Spain was the first outing in A BRAND NEW CAR and A BRAND NEW TEAM, without any previous experience of that car, still managed to keep an experience driver behind and won. Qualitative analysis still favors Verstappen, even if it is only these two races. Canada should definitely offer the first signs of their competitiveness.

Disagree, there have been two races, Ricciardo, without his own team mistakes, could have won both. Verstappen won one and crashed (three times!) on the next one, so I´d say in these two races Ricciardo didn´t do any (big) mistake, while Max made at least two big mistakes, crashing in Q1 when there was no need to push at all, and crashing in the race.

So I don´t see how qualtative analysis favours the driver who made more mistakes


BTW doing fast laps and crashing means nothing, it only shows you´re going faster than you actually can consistently, and that´s far from what F1 drivers, or any other driver, must do. To finish first you must first finish.

[turbof1]

No disrespect meant versus Verstappen, but concerning what the driver can do Ricciardo has bested Verstappen at every stap in the 2 races they drove the same car. It would therefore not be logical to elect Verstappen but not Ricciardo.

2 races they drove the same car? Spain agreed, but Monaco? Ric had the only one available, new configuration PU fitted on his car. Spain was the first outing in A BRAND NEW CAR and A BRAND NEW TEAM, without any previous experience of that car, still managed to keep an experience driver behind and won. Qualitative analysis still favors Verstappen, even if it is only these two races. Canada should definitely offer the first signs of their competitiveness.

Uh yeah, you are right about Monaco. I truly forgot about the engine update (which was stupid of me admittingly). I really do not want to start a polemic about the circumstances where Verstappen got into the RBR car as I already acknowledged this in an earlier post. I do not agree with your assessment of "qualitative analysis" for now however. We'll have to see how Verstappen evolves.

[Tauri_J]

Looks like it will be quite cold race weekend. Most of the weekend should be dry.

[BanMeToo]

GPRA is right about Monaco, but so is Andres - Ves crashed a lot, no matter what car he was in or what engine he had.

[godlameroso]

I don't know why you fanboys are all pulling out the pitchforks, all your bickering is moot. G.O.A.T. Haryanto is the only driver worth mentioning.

[FrukostScones]

I don't know why you fanboys are all pulling out the pitchforks, all your bickering is moot. G.O.A.T. Haryanto is the only driver worth mentioning.

top speed of that Manor should be good for overtaking

serious side question, as it is going to be very cold on sunday (I read somehing between 12-20 C), have Haas and Renault shot themselves in the foot with their tyre choice?

[bauc]

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