2016 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, Fri 10 – Sun 12 Jun

[gandharva]

They're useless compared to the super softs.

Wrong imho, as you make up your assumptions based on Monaco. Regarding one lap performance US are faster that SS anyway, and on a track like Montreal, that has much higher deg we will also see a difference in race degradation.

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LOL, what a typo! XD

[dans79]

well either they can't take the heavy breaking events, or teams can't get them into the working range right now, because it didn't look like anyone was able to do anything special with them. Nico was 3 tenths off Lewis, with runs at the same time and close to the same length.

[Andres125sx]

Never underestimate Adrian Newey.

I do all the time, because for ever really good car he has created, he has created a complete pos as well. To top it off, he always blames someone else when its not that good.

There´s some designer in F1 history who only created winning cars?

[dans79]

There´s some designer in F1 history who only created winning cars?

For some reason lots of people seem to think that about Newey!

[dans79]

about the tires.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analy ... es-774870/

Hard       High working range   105-135°
Medium     Low working range     90-120°
Soft high  High working range   100-125°
Supersoft  Low working range     85-115°
Ultrasoft  Low working range     85-115°

If these are correct, then the Ultras should be better, as they have the same working range and heat up faster.....

[godlameroso]

It depends on how the tires heat up. It could be that although the ultra softs have more overall grip, yet they can't work the tires as well as the super softs. Let me explain why.

Suppose when setting a few laps you notice that you can't get the front tires in the proper window without overheating the rear tires on the *ultra soft compound. So you have to compromise, you ease off the rears but then notice that the front tires are cooling off falling out of their window. You could push a little harder but you cause the rears to degrade quickly, and you end up with oversteer, because you have far more grip and durable tires in the front.

But then you switch to another compound and you see that although you have less overall grip, you notice the slightly harder tires allow you to keep the rears within the window which allows you to keep the fronts in their window. The result is lower degradation, and both tires are in their window to deliver maximum grip, as a result you go faster for longer.

Then you have the other end of the spectrum, where you push the tires as hard as you can but you still can't get the tires working and you go nowhere. But since the bias is still towards the rear, the fronts don't heat up and the rears just barely, so you get horrible understeer.

[giantfan10]

They're useless compared to the super softs. They're not a significant step faster like the difference between the soft and super soft. Also the race pace seems to be similar to the last race time wise.

In any case it's a moot point because they may not even touch the dry weather compounds during the race. It's hard to read exactly when the rain is supposed to come, my original estimate a week and a half ago was that it would rain towards the end of the race, but now I'm not so sure. It's just very likely that it will rain on race day, but when exactly, or if it will hit the circuit is a bit hazy.

Its reported to be either late sat nite or early sun morning and shouldnt impact the race.... minimal precipitation.

[dren]

Mercedes seems to have more ultras so I am going to make a wild guess and say they expect them to be the better tire.

[dren]

Canada will be wet. HAM, VET and VES will battle for the victory.

Why not Ricicardo? he should be a contender.

Is Verstappen that good with rain?

If it rains Hamilton will win. But I would like to see Nico doing a good race under rain, its about time Nico!

C'mon now, if it rains, Button will have 32230894032 pit stops yet somehow pass Vettel on the last corner of the last lap and win the race. Rain will make Nico look like he put the car in reverse. Verstappen will crash.

[ripper]

Maybe they were using different quantity of fuel too. More fuel with US and less with SS

[dans79]

Maybe they were using different quantity of fuel too. More fuel with US and less with SS

Maybe, But Nico and Lewis both did decently long stints, and Gro & Gut seemed to struggle as well.

[ChrisDanger]

I think the rear wing downforce stalled when he closed the DRS. It already happened to Williams last season... They don't seem to learn. Can't be a coincide that it happens again when they introduce a new rear wing.

Not really... https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 9235283968

[dans79]

Not surprising!
https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/741320600942215168

[Sevach]

They're useless compared to the super softs. They're not a significant step faster like the difference between the soft and super soft. Also the race pace seems to be similar to the last race time wise.

In any case it's a moot point because they may not even touch the dry weather compounds during the race. It's hard to read exactly when the rain is supposed to come, my original estimate a week and a half ago was that it would rain towards the end of the race, but now I'm not so sure. It's just very likely that it will rain on race day, but when exactly, or if it will hit the circuit is a bit hazy.

Someone might try doing Q3 on SS.

Though with the SS being very durable here maybe teams will just not run the soft and go US>SS>SS.
It might not matter with rain expected.

Anyway... this is really impressive ride quality
https://twitter.com/MrAlexF1/status/741290474401607681

[GoranF1]

Hamilton,Alonso and Vettel on yellow-softs?