2016 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, Fri 10 – Sun 12 Jun

[dans79]

What I don´t understand is the reason medium tires don´t continue the trend, any reason they work at lower temp than both softs and hards?

No idea, because 2 years or so ago, the temps didn't look like this.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Comparing the long runs from second practice, it looks like Mercedes was doing an average of 1:17.9xx, Ferrari an average of 1:18.3xx and Red bull an average of 1:19.5xx. Is Red Bull that far off in pace? May be not, but they definitely aren't looking like challenging either Ferrari or Mercedes. Not sure about the compounds used for these runs and that could be adding to the large difference. But either ways, Red Bull doesn't seem to be in the hunt.

Vettel's 2 tenths behind Lewis in P2 on flying lap, doesn't looks to be the real difference, which is usual. Both Ferrari and Red Bull wants to assess their PU upgrade and hence should have been testing ultimate power at some point, unlike Mercedes who doesn't have upgrades to PU and generally keeps the PU turned down for fridays.

But if you believe Rosberg's statement, then Red Bull were also running the PU turned down. Hope that is true.

[carisi2k]

The Mercs do look extremely strong but it is hard to judge were Ferrari is because they seemed to have everything turned up to 10 today, especially on Vettels car. Red Bull is difficult to say because Max did that good soft tyre time in fp1 but then neither of the RB's seemed to progress much resulting in times only fractionally faster then a Mclaren in FP2. Red Bull will surely find something to move them away from the mid pack tomorrow and closer then 1 second to the Mercedes and Vettel.

Hamilton seems to have overcome his form slump and is looking in imperious form. Red Bull are going to rue giving up that victory in Monaco to Hamilton I believe. Rosberg looked scrappy and not at all on form and he might also regret giving that spot to Hamilton, even if it was the best thing for the team.

But today is only Friday and Tomorrow is when we will truly see the performance difference between the teams and drivers.

[godlameroso]

Comparing the long runs from second practice, it looks like Mercedes was doing an average of 1:17.9xx, Ferrari an average of 1:18.3xx and Red bull an average of 1:19.5xx. Is Red Bull that far off in pace? May be not, but they definitely aren't looking like challenging either Ferrari or Mercedes. Not sure about the compounds used for these runs and that could be adding to the large difference. But either ways, Red Bull doesn't seem to be in the hunt.

Vettel's 2 tenths behind Lewis in P2 on flying lap, doesn't looks to be the real difference, which is usual. Both Ferrari and Red Bull wants to assess their PU upgrade and hence should have been testing ultimate power at some point, unlike Mercedes who doesn't have upgrades to PU and generally keeps the PU turned down for fridays.

But if you believe Rosberg's statement, then Red Bull were also running the PU turned down. Hope that is true.

Rosberg and Hamilton ran all of 4 laps in the 17's each, mostly high 17's nerver low 17's. To say they were averaging 17's is a stretch. On average, according the long runs, the Ferrari of Vettel is closest, although Mercedes has a bit of an edge. Red Bull is a few tenths down, and then it's everyone else. It's incredibly close from 6th down.

Add the complete unpredictability of the weather for the rest of the weekend and it's going to be a great race, or the most boring thing ever. There can be no in between.

*Look at Kimi's long run
4 1:19.947
5 1:19.127
6 1:18.622
7 1:18.554
8 1:20.365
9 1:18.817
10 1:22.551
11 1:18.165
12 1:18.783
13 1:18.579
14 1:18.732
15 1:18.635
16 1:18.853
17 1:18.640
18 1:19.271
19 1:20.907
20 1:18.445
21 1:18.275
22 1:17.955
23 1:19.438
24 1:18.929
25 1:18.461

Now look at this run by Vettel
3 1:17.815
4 1:20.030
5 1:16.711
6 1:17.901
7 1:16.164
8 1:22.666
9 1:16.308
10 1:15.897
11 1:24.119
12 1:21.626
13 1:15.993

[mikeerfol]

Rest of the weekend? Could it rain tomorrow as well?

[godlameroso]

Never know around there, it may probably won't but it may.

[Silent Storm]

*Look at Kimi's long run
4 1:19.947
5 1:19.127
6 1:18.622
7 1:18.554
8 1:20.365
9 1:18.817
10 1:22.551
11 1:18.165
12 1:18.783
13 1:18.579
14 1:18.732
15 1:18.635
16 1:18.853
17 1:18.640
18 1:19.271
19 1:20.907
20 1:18.445
21 1:18.275
22 1:17.955
23 1:19.438
24 1:18.929
25 1:18.461

Now look at this run by Vettel
3 1:17.815
4 1:20.030
5 1:16.711
6 1:17.901
7 1:16.164
8 1:22.666
9 1:16.308
10 1:15.897
11 1:24.119
12 1:21.626
13 1:15.993

I don't think you can compare Seb's quail run with Kimi's long run. Kimi was on a long run simulation at the start of practice session while Seb was on Quali simulation.

This is Seb's long run on US tyre at the end of FP2
1:18.655
1:19.513
1:19.308
1:18.936

And on Soft tyre
1:47.183
1:18.268
1:18.012
1:18.486
1:19.358
1:18.434
1:18.386
1:18.635
1:18.779
1:20.628
1:27.154
1:19.222
1:19.167
1:21.258
1:19.081
1:19.183

[godlameroso]

Seems like the soft tire is a good race tire, the US tire only works if you're Hamilton.

[Johnlub]

ROS longrun over 9 laps averaged at 1.17,598. This was over 0,5s quicker than HAM according to AMUS

[davidfroshanzen]

No one is using Q mode in fp 1 and 2

Mclaren honda often make this trick for decoy the fans...

[Juzh]

I believe ferrari did in fact use a bit more power for Vettel's fast run than usual in fp2. He topped out at 336 kmh, which is the same as last year's run in Q3 for kimi. Hamilton topped out at 331 for his fastest lap (339 for him last year in Q3).

[ripper]

There's also the possibility of slipstreams.

Anyway:

[Juzh]

There's also the possibility of slipstreams.

Anyway:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckp_bqGWkAApnkS.jpg:large

Vettel had no cars in front of him on his flying lap. Neither did hamilton.

[drunkf1fan]

ROS longrun over 9 laps averaged at 1.17,598. This was over 0,5s quicker than HAM according to AMUS

What on earth are you basing that on?

Rosberg's final 9 laps in FP2 did not average 1.17.6, not close.

38 P 1:37.051
39 1:24.639
40 1:24.008
41 1:17.696
42 1:19.291
43 1:22.588
44 1:17.696
45 1:21.325
46 1:17.403

Just no, no no no, no. You get that taking solely the 3 fastest laps which means absolutely nothing when that isn't 9 laps and the other laps were insanely slow.

His actual long run which was what 21 laps had two laps in the 1:17's, fastest being 1:17.896, 7 laps in the 1:18's, 5 in the 1:19's, 6 1:20 or higher. Just eyeballing it, low 1:19's average in his long stint. Vettel similar maybe a bit faster, Kimi was able to do multiple 1:18 and even a 1:17 22 laps into his long stint and early in the session when the track had less rubber, still a 1:18.5 after 25 laps or so.

Alonso's first longer stint was 14-15 laps or so, averaging somewhere in the 1:20's, they look way off the pace again. Williams, lowish 1:19's for Massa, not too bad. They have a low drag design which has always been fuel efficient which is why they should do reasonably well here. Fuel limited track so we can expect efficient fuel cars to do well and Mclaren to do badly.

The Hamilton's long sting compared to Rosberg, 15 laps or so, mostly 1:17's and 1:18's, some slower laps thown in, kept missing the final chicane, hiding his pace, wouldn't have done his tires any good. I would guess that as usual Merc run heaviest fuel for their runs and aren't going max pace. Ferrari always look more competitive in FP2 than the race, higher engine or lower fuel they appear close in FP2 only for a gap to show up in the race. You'd need to see a significant advantage in FP2 for Ferrari to be close in the race with the way they choose to test.

[Johnlub]

ROS longrun over 9 laps averaged at 1.17,598. This was over 0,5s quicker than HAM according to AMUS

What on earth are you basing that on?

Rosberg's final 9 laps in FP2 did not average 1.17.6, not close.

38 P 1:37.051
39 1:24.639
40 1:24.008
41 1:17.696
42 1:19.291
43 1:22.588
44 1:17.696
45 1:21.325
46 1:17.403

Just no, no no no, no. You get that taking solely the 3 fastest laps which means absolutely nothing when that isn't 9 laps and the other laps were insanely slow.

His actual long run which was what 21 laps had two laps in the 1:17's, fastest being 1:17.896, 7 laps in the 1:18's, 5 in the 1:19's, 6 1:20 or higher. Just eyeballing it, low 1:19's average in his long stint. Vettel similar maybe a bit faster, Kimi was able to do multiple 1:18 and even a 1:17 22 laps into his long stint and early in the session when the track had less rubber, still a 1:18.5 after 25 laps or so.

Alonso's first longer stint was 14-15 laps or so, averaging somewhere in the 1:20's, they look way off the pace again. Williams, lowish 1:19's for Massa, not too bad. They have a low drag design which has always been fuel efficient which is why they should do reasonably well here. Fuel limited track so we can expect efficient fuel cars to do well and Mclaren to do badly.

The Hamilton's long sting compared to Rosberg, 15 laps or so, mostly 1:17's and 1:18's, some slower laps thown in, kept missing the final chicane, hiding his pace, wouldn't have done his tires any good. I would guess that as usual Merc run heaviest fuel for their runs and aren't going max pace. Ferrari always look more competitive in FP2 than the race, higher engine or lower fuel they appear close in FP2 only for a gap to show up in the race. You'd need to see a significant advantage in FP2 for Ferrari to be close in the race with the way they choose to test.

Auf den Soft-Reifen führte kein Weg an den Silberpfeilen vorbei. Nico Rosberg war mit 1.17,598 Minuten über 9 Runden eine halbe Sekunde schneller als Teamkollege Hamilton. Und der hängte Räikkönen um eine weitere halbe Sekunde ab. Allerdings war der Finne 24 Runden am Stück unterwegs, während die Mercedes-Piloten sich mit 8 respektive 9 Runden begnügten.

Chill...

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