2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[turbof1]

If anyone see that footage and sees anything other that an intentional act then they are looking at it with a bias. I cannot believe you are even trying to argue otherwise.

Where do I personally argue that was none-intentional? Reread what I said: I find that discussion worth to be discussed; my personal opinion on that it was intentional. But, that's my own opinion.

If there are arguments in favour or against, let's hear them. Allowing that discussion to happen is not bias. Phil already mentioned Vettel's post race behaviour. Dans79 already argued even if Vettel let loose of the wheel it is still his fault. If there are elements where people feel it's underlining Vettel did not do this intentional, then I'm willing to hear them as well. Please be willing to do so as well. In this case, that's a reasonable debate.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Here is the video. Facts:

*Hamilton doesn't stop at any point, and his steering wheel seems to indicate constant RPM.
*Vettel is clearly accelerating
*Vettel's steering wheel does appear to turn right in to Hamilton.

[foxmulder_ms]

This is OUTRAGEOUS, Vettel can do whatever he wants apparently:

Couple races ago it is proven that Vettel can start where-ever he wants. Grid spot borders mean squat.

Next level: If you crash into someone you only get 10 second penalty, of course if you name is Vettel.

This is seriously BS, what can be a more serious act??? If Vettel's action did not deserve disqualification what action would???? Pure travesty..

[ripper]

I guess there's no big difference if VET did want to hit HAM or it was just an error because he hadn't any hand on the the steering wheel: in first case he's guilty of hitting on purpose another car, in the second one he's guilty of doing something wrong anyway so he had to be punished.

[ENGINE TUNER]

This is OUTRAGEOUS, Vettel can do whatever he wants apparently:

Couple races ago it is proven that Vettel can start where-ever he wants. Grid spot borders mean squat.

Next level: If you crash into someone you only get 10 second penalty, of course if you name is Vettel.

This is seriously BS, what can be a more serious act??? If Vettel's action did not deserve disqualification what action would???? Pure travesty..

Don't forget Vettel clobbering Hamilton and forcing him off track in Barcelona, of course no penalty there. F1 stewarding are a joke, a sad one.

[PlatinumZealot]

Lewis has the right to slow down. He did the same thing on the previous saftey car.

Vettel wanted to get the jump and stupidly accelerated into the back of Lewis. Even the Ferrari people know it. Why in the hell is he is close to Lewis' gearbox in the first place? Look how spaced everyone else is?

I am shocked that Vettel was not black flagged. Not even schumacher did anything like that. In fact his penalty was almost toothless.. It took too long to be issued and he got a good bit of laps in clean air to pretty much nullify it.

[ripper]

And please can someone remove Raikkonen's curse? He can't be THAT unlucky

[Restomaniac]

If anyone see that footage and sees anything other that an intentional act then they are looking at it with a bias. I cannot believe you are even trying to argue otherwise.

Where do I personally argue that was none-intentional? Reread what I said: I find that discussion worth to be discussed; my personal opinion on that it was intentional. But, that's my own opinion.

If there are arguments in favour or against, let's hear them. Allowing that discussion to happen is not bias. Phil already mentioned Vettel's post race behaviour. Dans79 already argued even if Vettel let loose of the wheel it is still his fault. If there are elements where people feel it's underlining Vettel did not do this intentional, then I'm willing to hear them as well. Please be willing to do so as well. In this case, that's a reasonable debate.

Its debate for debating's sake. It's pretty damn clear what happened unless your bias can't let you see it. That was why I mentioned that bias. Something you chose to jump on.

[The_table]

If his steering wheel was straight and then he gave it a tug to hit Hammo i would agree but i really think he just over corrected after swerving to the left to get alongside and not realizing since he was busy being mad.

(So brutal swerve to the left to get next to Hammo and then overcorrecting to the right since he had almost full lock to the left before, and those cars turn FAST...)

He was in second place, it would have been insanely dumb to deliberately hit Ham and serve a penalty or worse...
Have we ever seen Vet use his car as a weapon before?

I do agree that being that close to Ham to get a jump is just a very unnecessary risk...

Secondly could they look at telemetry to see if vet just over corrected or really tried to hit hit Hammo, if they find him guilty they could give him a grid penalty next race for all i care...

Please don't crucify me,i'm just trying to share my opinion.

ps: Could anyone link me to Vet's interview?

[santos]

Hope that Liberty get rid of this track... so many nice tracks to race, and F1 choose to race at place with no conditions.
About the incident, i think both should be penalized... what Hamilton did, is not right, and road rage, shouldn't be promoted by F1.

[turbof1]

If anyone see that footage and sees anything other that an intentional act then they are looking at it with a bias. I cannot believe you are even trying to argue otherwise.

Where do I personally argue that was none-intentional? Reread what I said: I find that discussion worth to be discussed; my personal opinion on that it was intentional. But, that's my own opinion.

If there are arguments in favour or against, let's hear them. Allowing that discussion to happen is not bias. Phil already mentioned Vettel's post race behaviour. Dans79 already argued even if Vettel let loose of the wheel it is still his fault. If there are elements where people feel it's underlining Vettel did not do this intentional, then I'm willing to hear them as well. Please be willing to do so as well. In this case, that's a reasonable debate.

Its debate for debating's sake. It's pretty damn clear what happened unless your bias can't let you see it. That was why I mentioned that bias. Something you chose to jump on.

Ok, my apologies if you feel jumped upon. Can we Please move on?

[ripper]

Even if VET didn't want to hit HAM he did it, he had to be punished (and I can't say that 10 second stop&go is a big punishment for what he did).

[Restomaniac]

If his steering wheel was straight and then he gave it a tug to hit Hammo i would agree but i really think he just over corrected after swerving to the left to get alongside and not realizing since he was busy being mad.

(So brutal swerve to the left to get next to Hammo and then overcorrecting to the right since he had almost full lock to the left before, and those cars turn FAST...)

He was in second place, it would have been insanely dumb to deliberately hit Ham and serve a penalty or worse...
Have we ever seen Vet use his car as a weapon before?

I do agree that being that close to Ham to get a jump is just a very unnecessary risk...

Secondly could they look at telemetry to see if vet just over corrected or really tried to hit hit Hammo, if they find him guilty they could give him a grid penalty next race for all i care...

Please don't crucify me,i'm just trying to share my opinion.

ps: Could anyone link me to Vet's interview?

A 4 time WDC Overcorrecting at 30MPH? Honestly?

[reaper663]

It seems that Hamilton did brake in the middle of the corner and abit later just after. So he did check him quite dangerously in the middle of a corner.
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[Restomaniac]

Where do I personally argue that was none-intentional? Reread what I said: I find that discussion worth to be discussed; my personal opinion on that it was intentional. But, that's my own opinion.

If there are arguments in favour or against, let's hear them. Allowing that discussion to happen is not bias. Phil already mentioned Vettel's post race behaviour. Dans79 already argued even if Vettel let loose of the wheel it is still his fault. If there are elements where people feel it's underlining Vettel did not do this intentional, then I'm willing to hear them as well. Please be willing to do so as well. In this case, that's a reasonable debate.

Its debate for debating's sake. It's pretty damn clear what happened unless your bias can't let you see it. That was why I mentioned that bias. Something you chose to jump on.

Ok, my apologies if you feel jumped upon. Can we Please move on?

Thats fine.