2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[foxmulder_ms]

A hearing is a very good reason to be optimistic for justice.

He will be disqualified. I am pretty sure about it. Otherwise they wouldn't even have bothered with the hearing. Even a race ban can happen at this point.

[motobaleno]

Guess that means it's OK to hit somebody as long as you don't cause actual damage.

if it would be ok to hit somebody as long as you don't cause actual damage, then vettel should have received no penalty.
since it has received a 10 s stop and go your guess seems not right.

[Andres125sx]

Is there any source for this or it was just some unfounded rumour?

This is one example, but i saw some others last week that i can't find now.

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one ... table-baku

"Of course, we could have issued a more severe penalty," steward Paul Gutjahr told the Swiss newspaper Blick. "Like the black flag or a race ban. But Hamilton had no damage, and we did not want to influence the world championship too much."

Thank you Dans

To me this is what kills the sport. There are rules for a reason, when Stewards think their job is not interfering with the championship that actually means they´re interfering with the championship because of political reasons.

At any other category, or even in F1 with any other two drivers involved, a black flag would have been waiving on track few minutes after the incident to DSQ the driver who caused a collision under SC, but if the driver involved is fighting for the title, then the punishment is less severe?

That´s a biased decision due to their own agenda (they need some excitement in the championship). In spanish there´s a term for that, prevarication, wich is someone with power making some unfair decision deliberately at some aspect he´s supposed to control/regulate, and it´s a felony

[F1NAC]

Maybe they'll just put 10 sec on Vettel's time and put him behind Hamilton in Baku results. The gap in WC will lessen a bit, becoming tighter among Vettel and Hamilton and that's it.
Vettel will get his punishment and it wouldn't be as harsh as a ban or taking away points.

That's the dumbest thing to do. Why penalize Vettel for Mercedes mistake. Its their own fault that Vettel finished infront. Get over it. brundle,button,stewart and company said :move on. He got his penalty

So F1NAC you would like Vettel to be DSQed from Baku race or get a ban in the next one or two races?! I belive that's what FIA could be thinking of...
As Schuttelberg pointed out; it doesn't matter where Hamilton finished and dans79 comented that FIA doesn't care what others think...maybe it is not the dumbest thing to give Vettel 10 sec (instead ban or DSQ). We all would get so mutch more enterteinment out of that. Vettel and Hamilton would stay close together ( Vettel will get the message...) in case of your thinking they won't stay that close, I belive FIA won' just let it go pass.
I don't have to go over anything becouse I don't have any problem with the situation ( but Indo have with your coment). I just enjoy this years championship. It is tight and intense. When FIA will have their say, could be that it wont be like that any more.
At the end it is sad that you put your self in the position of the judge and throwing around words like "dumbest" on the forum where people are reading thoughts and opinions of another posters and put forward their own. We shoud respect that and eachother.

I was focusing on your first sentence. Just to move him behind Hamilton... Nonsense. But ye, whatever the penalty is Vettel can only blame himself and his temper for throwing all the hard work from him and team in dust. (points wise)

[motobaleno]

At any other category, or even in F1 with any other two drivers involved, a black flag would have been waiving on track few minutes after the incident to DSQ the driver who caused a collision under SC, but if the driver involved is fighting for the title, then the punishment is less severe?

guys you are loosing contact with reality....
AT ANY OTHER CATEGORY??
are you serious? please watch some NASCAR or WTCC

[motobaleno]

I have to say that all this events have been useful at least for one thing:
they have helped to reveal a number of just ferrari haters camouflaged under the appearence
of serious impartial end experienced F1 enthusiasts.

[ClarkBT11]

At any other category, or even in F1 with any other two drivers involved, a black flag would have been waiving on track few minutes after the incident to DSQ the driver who caused a collision under SC, but if the driver involved is fighting for the title, then the punishment is less severe?

guys you are loosing contact with reality....
AT ANY OTHER CATEGORY??
are you serious? please watch some NASCAR or WTCC

=D> Were contact is allowed within the rules of their category, not so sure that your sentence would stand true behind a safety car. I don't think there's anything left to discuss until there's anymore news.

[ClarkBT11]

I have to say that all this events have been useful at least for one thing:
they have helped to reveal a number of just ferrari haters camouflaged under the appearence
of serious impartial end experienced F1 enthusiasts.

Ferrari extremists more like just give it up it's past being funny now.

[Just_a_fan]

I have to say that all this events have been useful at least for one thing:
they have helped to reveal a number of just ferrari haters camouflaged under the appearence
of serious impartial end experienced F1 enthusiasts.

It has also revealed a number of Ferrari/Vettel fans similarly camouflaged. Your point is?

This incident was always going to cause fanboy/hater arguments. That's one of the reasons some in F1 think the incident is a "good thing". They think only of the show and ratings and stories to be written (and paid for). True fans of F1 want such incidents removed from the sport because open-wheeled, open cockpit cars are pure racing machines. There is no room for intentional shunting and bumping in such series - partly because of the risk of a serious crash. There are other racing series where such things are deemed to be ok, indeed are welcomed as part of the sport.

The stewards could have - and should have - set a firm example that such things are not acceptable in F1. They failed to do so: indeed, they actively did the opposite in that they made a decision based on what was good for "the show" and not the sport.

Now the FIA has had to step in and try to sort out the mess created by the partisan stewards.Stewards whose sole job is to think of the race in front of them, not the "show". The stewards made a bad decision and effectively admitted as such when they admitted that they took an option that did not affect the "show". They stated that Vettel had intentionally driven in to Hamilton but chose to think about the title race and the "show" rather than taking the correct action.

F1, once again, looks silly in the eyes of the non-F1 world. And in the eyes of many in the F1 world too, it has to be said.

[dans79]

The stewards could have - and should have - set a firm example that such things are not acceptable in F1. They failed to do so: indeed, they actively did the opposite in that they made a decision based on what was good for "the show" and not the sport.

The stewards should act more like this. Ignore everything after 1:25

[AMG.Tzan]

Not interfering with the championship is not an excuse at all! With the same kind of thinking Lewis shouldn't get the 5 second penalty at Bahrain that maybe cost him the win! And they did interfere last year with the WDC by not giving Rosberg a penalty at Spain when the rules clearly state that you have to leave a car's width when someone is alongside your rear wheel! In my opinion they should disqualify Vettel from the result and not give him a race ban for the next race since it's something that happened at the Azerbaijan GP and Vettel got a result there! In my mind a race ban is given when someone causes a huge accident like Grosjean did! A DSQ on the other hand is given to someone that got a result he shouldn't get after what he did! In this case Vettel instead of losing something, he gained 2 points in the championship...which seems a bit unfair after banging wheels with someone!

[SR71]

Perfect out come - let the championship continue! Current points reflect racing performances, not safety car performances.

[motobaleno]

I have to say that all this events have been useful at least for one thing:
they have helped to reveal a number of just ferrari haters camouflaged under the appearence
of serious impartial end experienced F1 enthusiasts.

It has also revealed a number of Ferrari/Vettel fans similarly camouflaged. Your point is?

This incident was always going to cause fanboy/hater arguments. That's one of the reasons some in F1 think the incident is a "good thing". They think only of the show and ratings and stories to be written (and paid for). True fans of F1 want such incidents removed from the sport because open-wheeled, open cockpit cars are pure racing machines. There is no room for intentional shunting and bumping in such series - partly because of the risk of a serious crash. There are other racing series where such things are deemed to be ok, indeed are welcomed as part of the sport.

The stewards could have - and should have - set a firm example that such things are not acceptable in F1. They failed to do so: indeed, they actively did the opposite in that they made a decision based on what was good for "the show" and not the sport.

Now the FIA has had to step in and try to sort out the mess created by the partisan stewards.Stewards whose sole job is to think of the race in front of them, not the "show". The stewards made a bad decision and effectively admitted as such when they admitted that they took an option that did not affect the "show". They stated that Vettel had intentionally driven in to Hamilton but chose to think about the title race and the "show" rather than taking the correct action.

F1, once again, looks silly in the eyes of the non-F1 world. And in the eyes of many in the F1 world too, it has to be said.

"such incidents" you refer to are not the incident we are talking about.
The incident we are talking about have absolutely nothing to do with safety nor with racing dynamics in terms of final results etc..

For instance the incident between bottas and raikkonen perfectly falls in your description so if you really believe in what you wrote you should better talk of that one.

[Xwang]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... lton-clash

[Xwang]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-v ... nt-926277/