Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:09 am

Wazari wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:31 am
HPD wrote:
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Wazari, now that the season is over. Can you give us some figures about the difference in performance of the current 3.8 and 4.0 specifications?
Hasegawa always wanted to introduce the 4.0 in 2017, and "catch" Renault.
25 to 30 kW.
Heh. Smart man.... We wont ve getting spec 4.0 in 2018 anyway that is why you released that information so easily.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by godlameroso » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:57 am

No spec 4 in 2018? So 2018 is 3.9?
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:15 am

Spec 4 is a version of the RA17 engine.
2018 will have an evolution of Spec 4 and whatever it is they have on the dyno in Sakura. That engine spec will start over at Spec 1. Remember the 2017 engine is the first of the concept. There will be major changes for the 2018 engine even though the architecture will be similar.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Singabule » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:51 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:15 am
Spec 4 is a version of the RA17 engine.
2018 will have an evolution of Spec 4 and whatever it is they have on the dyno in Sakura. That engine spec will start over at Spec 1. Remember the 2017 engine is the first of the concept. There will be major changes for the 2018 engine even though the architecture will be similar.
That is naming problem only :lol: yeah, their first iteration in winter testing would be spec 1 2018,for sure

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Squid » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:12 am

Honda F1 chief Hasegawa to leave role in overhaul

Yusuke Hasegawa will leave his role as head of Honda’s Formula 1 project at the end of his year as part of a management structure overhaul.

Hasegawa has faced growing pressure over the course of this season as Honda struggled with both power and reliability and culminated in it ending its relationship with McLaren after three seasons.

Ahead of the start of Honda’s new partnership with Toro Rosso, the Japanese manufacturer has announced changes to its organisational structure in a bid to turnaround its fortunes.

In his role as head of F1 project, Hasegawa was responsible for both engine development in Sakura as well as the race operation. That role has been removed with Honda splitting the responsibilities to create two new positions.

Toyoharu Tanabe has been named F1 technical director and will focus on the racing and testing operation at the circuit.

Autosport has learned Yasuaki Asaki will take the role of operating officer at Sakura in charge of Formula 1 engine development.

Tanabe, who has worked for Honda since 1984, has F1 experience, having worked as an engineer for Gerhard Berger at McLaren and as chief engineer for Jenson Button at BAR and then Honda.

He also worked in Indycar, currently holds the role of senior manager and race team chief engineer for Honda Performance Development and is believed to be highly rated within Honda.

Hasegawa, who took over from Yasuhisa Arai in early 2016, will no longer be involved in the F1 project but hold the role of executive chief engineer.

Honda says he will use his experience and knowledge from the F1 project to work on various global research and development projects focused on future mass production. The trio will take up their respective new roles on 1 January.

“In the past, the head of F1 project assumed responsibility in both technological development and directing the team at the spot of racing,” said Honda chief officer for Brand and Communication Operations Katsuhide Moriyama.

“By separating these areas of responsibility, we will evolve our structure so that both the development team and racing/testing team can assume their respective responsibilities more speedily.

“By ensuring both the development team and racing team soundly fulfil their respective roles, Honda will continue its challenges so that fans can enjoy seeing Toro Rosso-Honda competing at the top level without further delay.”
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... 86597/amp/

Not sure how I feel about this... Was Hasegawa just the fall guy to make the engine concept transition, take the blame and then make room for the actual boss?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by bill shoe » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 am

Hasegawa-san may be just totally exhausted and burned out. Anyone in charge of that program would be out of human energy by now. Sounds like good idea to split R&D vs track roles.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Squid » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:26 am

bill shoe wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 am
Hasegawa-san may be just totally exhausted and burned out. Anyone in charge of that program would be out of human energy by now. Sounds like good idea to split R&D vs track roles.
Hope so. Might be the case as he's keeping his role of executive chief engineer. After 2017 and all the public pressure, he deserves a rest. Handled it like a champ.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Snorked » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:34 am

Hasn't this been long been coming from that F1 Life article posted months ago? It mentioned that Honda had shaken up the management structure for the 2018 season, with Hasegawa being moved out of Sakura to Milton Keynes.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Roostfactor » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:07 am

I agree to split the responsibility to enable each manager (race and r&d) to focus on one objective instead of two and that it will expedite the pu progression. I can only imagine how taxing this year must have been for Hasegawa San. I will miss his openness and hope his successors will still share some information with us. I also hope for ample turnover of information from Hasegawa to his successors.

Wasari San, I wouldn't ask you to rate the two new individuals but can you say if you believe the program will be in good hands in 2018?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Singabule » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:21 am

S**t, Hasegawa is leaving the role, hence i expect less degree of openness, bad for us.. :cry:

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Singabule » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:24 am

Snorked wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:34 am
Hasn't this been long been coming from that F1 Life article posted months ago? It mentioned that Honda had shaken up the management structure for the 2018 season, with Hasegawa being moved out of Sakura to Milton Keynes.
Also TR boss Tost mention that they will have Hasegawa next season, so STR dont know this restructure as well? Pity that such a great figure leaving us..

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Wazari » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:15 am

I am very pleased with Honda's personnel change. This is a very good thing. I don't think the "openness" will change. I have worked with Tanabe-san very closely in the past. He is a true "racing engineer", not just a corporate guy.
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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Oonnnn » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:09 am

Wazari wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:15 am
I am very pleased with Honda's personnel change. This is a very good thing. I don't think the "openness" will change. I have worked with Tanabe-san very closely in the past. He is a true "racing engineer", not just a corporate guy.
Thanks for the information Wazari-san. Good to hear this.
However, you haven't mentioned Yasuaki Asaki. Any comment on him?

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by techman » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:19 am

have to say this is the best decsion honda has done to fire hasegawa. this guy was too scared to speak up. honda needs someone like cyril in renault who can speak up for honda , not say take blame, when honda engineers are saying mclaren running heavy downforce in brazil for example. it was reported in the media.

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Re: Honda Power Unit

Post by Craigy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:27 am

techman wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:19 am
have to say this is the best decsion honda has done to fire hasegawa. this guy was too scared to speak up. honda needs someone like cyril in renault who can speak up for honda , not say take blame, when honda engineers are saying mclaren running heavy downforce in brazil for example. it was reported in the media.
He's not been fired. Read the story.