2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by etusch » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:06 pm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 89635/?s=1

There was only one thing Zak has ability to bring McLaren. Sponsor/Marketing. But it looks like they failed. I am predicting both ( bullier and brown ) will be fired at the end of coming season

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:59 pm

etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:06 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 89635/?s=1

There was only one thing Zak has ability to bring McLaren. Sponsor/Marketing. But it looks like they failed. I am predicting both ( bullier and brown ) will be fired at the end of coming season
Why do you go to such lengths in all topics just to bash Mclaren, or its staff?

If you read clearly, they say that instead of having a ''TITLE'' sponsor, they are focusing on few big deals which will not affect the team overall name and look as they are building the Mclaren brand as a singe unique entity.

"I don't think we're going to have a title sponsor per se," said Brown. "What I think we're going to have are major partners.

"If you look at F1 no one really refers to the name of the team's title partner, so I don't think there's a lot of value. We're McLaren, we're not ABC McLaren.

"There's major branding, but we don't want to sell the title, we want to remain the name of the team – McLaren.


I know you are Honda guy, but this is just old and boring to spin news like this you need to work as PR in some political party
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by dren » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:11 pm

The report reads like they are having trouble getting a big sponsor and are settling for smaller partners, all in a positive light, though. If somebody came along and wanted to throw a bunch of money at Mclaren as a title sponsor, I bet they'd bite. Ron valued the company too high and couldn't do it. It looks like the new guy is having issues, too.

Ferrari doesn't do it, but they also get a huge windfall payment for just being in F1.
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by kptaylor » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:41 pm

You also have to wonder whether there's something brewing for '21 when new engine entrants may be available as title sponsors.

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by etusch » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm

bauc wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:59 pm
etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:06 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 89635/?s=1

There was only one thing Zak has ability to bring McLaren. Sponsor/Marketing. But it looks like they failed. I am predicting both ( bullier and brown ) will be fired at the end of coming season
Why do you go to such lengths in all topics just to bash Mclaren, or its staff?

If you read clearly, they say that instead of having a ''TITLE'' sponsor, they are focusing on few big deals which will not affect the team overall name and look as they are building the Mclaren brand as a singe unique entity.

"I don't think we're going to have a title sponsor per se," said Brown. "What I think we're going to have are major partners.

"If you look at F1 no one really refers to the name of the team's title partner, so I don't think there's a lot of value. We're McLaren, we're not ABC McLaren.

"There's major branding, but we don't want to sell the title, we want to remain the name of the team – McLaren.


I know you are Honda guy, but this is just old and boring to spin news like this you need to work as PR in some political party
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Can you or Zak say even if someone come and offer for being name sponsor "we will deny it because we think name sponsorship era is over". That's for hiding their unsuccessful job. This is what they can only achieve during last years
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by marmer » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:21 pm

BMW McLaren 2021 purely on a whim or Mercedes if they drop out of the sport as a team.

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by diffuser » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:19 pm

kptaylor wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:41 pm
You also have to wonder whether there's something brewing for '21 when new engine entrants may be available as title sponsors.
They haven't even chosen the coffee beans yet, to early for anything to be brewing.

Pretty sure that since they STILL haven't finalized the PU for 2021, it's likely to get postponed.

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Thunder » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:32 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Neither Honda nor McLaren "bashing" is wanted here or anywhere on these Forums. Constructive Critisism is absolutely ok, just writing negatively because someone else wrote something not to your liking about your favorite Brand is just silly. If you just bash McLaren because there has been some negative Reports about Honda on here you don't like you may want to overthink your stratagy on here.

Geez, McLaren and Honda parted with no hard feelings according to the Interview with Zak Brown a few Days ago. He even specifically said that they may drive with Honda Engines again in the Future. Why is it so hard for some People to accept that and just get on with life?
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by etusch » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:53 am

Thunder wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:32 am
etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Neither Honda nor McLaren "bashing" is wanted here or anywhere on these Forums. Constructive Critisism is absolutely ok, just writing negatively because someone else wrote something not to your liking about your favorite Brand is just silly. If you just bash McLaren because there has been some negative Reports about Honda on here you don't like you may want to overthink your stratagy on here.

Geez, McLaren and Honda parted with no hard feelings according to the Interview with Zak Brown a few Days ago. He even specifically said that they may drive with Honda Engines again in the Future. Why is it so hard for some People to accept that and just get on with life?
I think you lost objectiveness if you had it before

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:42 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm
bauc wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:59 pm
etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:06 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 89635/?s=1

There was only one thing Zak has ability to bring McLaren. Sponsor/Marketing. But it looks like they failed. I am predicting both ( bullier and brown ) will be fired at the end of coming season
Why do you go to such lengths in all topics just to bash Mclaren, or its staff?

If you read clearly, they say that instead of having a ''TITLE'' sponsor, they are focusing on few big deals which will not affect the team overall name and look as they are building the Mclaren brand as a singe unique entity.

"I don't think we're going to have a title sponsor per se," said Brown. "What I think we're going to have are major partners.

"If you look at F1 no one really refers to the name of the team's title partner, so I don't think there's a lot of value. We're McLaren, we're not ABC McLaren.

"There's major branding, but we don't want to sell the title, we want to remain the name of the team – McLaren.


I know you are Honda guy, but this is just old and boring to spin news like this you need to work as PR in some political party
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Can you or Zak say even if someone come and offer for being name sponsor "we will deny it because we think name sponsorship era is over". That's for hiding their unsuccessful job. This is what they can only achieve during last years
Mclaren can be bashed as well, I've done it my self so many times when it is deserved, but people like you are ruining our forum with silly spins and blame games for some period of time now, its becoming ridiculous
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Andres125sx » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:57 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Hey the world is full of trolls, any reason I can´t be one of them? :roll: #-o ](*,)

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by etusch » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:02 am

bauc wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:42 am
etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm
bauc wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:59 pm


Why do you go to such lengths in all topics just to bash Mclaren, or its staff?

If you read clearly, they say that instead of having a ''TITLE'' sponsor, they are focusing on few big deals which will not affect the team overall name and look as they are building the Mclaren brand as a singe unique entity.

"I don't think we're going to have a title sponsor per se," said Brown. "What I think we're going to have are major partners.

"If you look at F1 no one really refers to the name of the team's title partner, so I don't think there's a lot of value. We're McLaren, we're not ABC McLaren.

"There's major branding, but we don't want to sell the title, we want to remain the name of the team – McLaren.


I know you are Honda guy, but this is just old and boring to spin news like this you need to work as PR in some political party
I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Can you or Zak say even if someone come and offer for being name sponsor "we will deny it because we think name sponsorship era is over". That's for hiding their unsuccessful job. This is what they can only achieve during last years
Mclaren can be bashed as well, I've done it my self so many times when it is deserved, but people like you are ruining our forum with silly spins and blame games for some period of time now, its becoming ridiculous
Then Try to answer my question about name sponsor to keep forum in good shape

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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:07 am

etusch wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:02 am
bauc wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:42 am
etusch wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm


I don't know why Honda can be bashed but McLaren not.
Can you or Zak say even if someone come and offer for being name sponsor "we will deny it because we think name sponsorship era is over". That's for hiding their unsuccessful job. This is what they can only achieve during last years
Mclaren can be bashed as well, I've done it my self so many times when it is deserved, but people like you are ruining our forum with silly spins and blame games for some period of time now, its becoming ridiculous
Then Try to answer my question about name sponsor to keep forum in good shape
I did,

''If you read clearly, they say that instead of having a ''TITLE'' sponsor, they are focusing on few big deals which will not affect the team overall name and look as they are building the Mclaren brand as a single unique entity''
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Chicane » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:57 am

1] As has been confirmed by both Zak Brown and Honda that the split wasn't acrimonious. They still maintain a healthy respect for each other and clearly have not ruled out working with each other in the future.

2] Honda's Nakamura has said only good things about Mclaren.

3] There is no need to bash anyone. Honda tried their best but their timelines unfortunately did not match with Mclaren' who clearly could not go in to another season based on pure hope. Zak clearly mentioned how there was serious risk of exodus of technical personnel.

4] Zak has said they have signed a few sponsors but they do not believe in title sponsorship. now one may not agree with his view but his reasoning for it at least makes some sense. Mclaren not just have a race team but they also have a road car business where brand name and identity matters.
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Re: 2018 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by etusch » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:04 am

Chicane wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:57 am
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4] Zak has said they have signed a few sponsors but they do not believe in title sponsorship. now one may not agree with his view but his reasoning for it at least makes some sense. Mclaren not just have a race team but they also have a road car business where brand name and identity matters.
Do you think name sponsors damage teams name? Redbull also selling some products. Why they don't fear of that?! They don't know marketing?