Adrian Newey book

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by Greg Locock » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:29 pm

I think you underestimate the inertia of a large and self satisfied engineering organisation. I suspect many senior engineers would rather be the big fish in a small pond than trying to motivate a big bunch of 'not invented here' careerists. I am continually amused by the attention paid to the chief execs in car companies. In reality they set approximate directions, criticise the cars they take for drives or see in the styling studio, and do zero engineering.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by Chuckjr » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:41 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:22 pm
Chuckjr wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:51 am
My thoughts exactly. I can't believe a person can get to a point in life to be able to turn that down. I see Ferrari as a much longer lived life legacy than what Red Bull could offer--all due respect to Red Bull.
A friend of mine turned down an offer to work at Ferrari when Brawn was there. It happens.

As for the "long lived life legacy" - what is that? Do you mean Ferrari will be around longer than RedBull? The titles that Newey has won over the years are his legacy. No one can take those away. Heck, taking the fight to Ferrari and beating them soundly 4 years in a row with a drinks company is quite some legacy. Add his titles with McLaren and Williams and he is F1's most successful designer ever. What bigger legacy is there?

The fact that he can turn down a huge offer from Ferrari shows his standing in the sport, and his own position in life.
Exactly. Exactly my thought. Ferraris will be auctioned off for the rest of time. His designs would have gone into timeless archives at Maranello with collectors still in 500 years seeking the "Newey models". Not to be.

Someday there will be no Red Bull. Someday there will still be Ferrari.

To say no to your own cars still being driven in 200...even 500 years?!? Come on. RedBull can or could NEVER offer such a legacy. All due respect but sorry this is another level in career legacy.

I think if there was any mistake in Newey's career, it was turning that offer down. Many designers have won multiple championships. Not many will have their personal designs locked into sportscar history (Ferrari history mind you) hundreds of years down the road.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by notsofast » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 pm

Greg Locock wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:29 pm
I think you underestimate the inertia of a large and self satisfied engineering organisation.
In other words:
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by noname » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:38 pm

Zynerji wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:09 pm
I read it that he would have full control over the entire Ferrari operation, road and race, and NOT have bureaucracy to deal with, as he would build the system.

I, personally, would have taken it. Not because it was Ferrari, but to take the opportunity to be successful in such a huge responsibility role.
He would not. It is Ferrari, there is sh***t load of politics going on inside. Marchionne is putting his fingers everywhere and is quite proud of that. Big Luca was not much better.

Newey would have to spend most of his time and energy fighting, instead of doing what he loves the most - being engineer.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by digitalrurouni » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:11 pm

noname wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:38 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:09 pm
I read it that he would have full control over the entire Ferrari operation, road and race, and NOT have bureaucracy to deal with, as he would build the system.

I, personally, would have taken it. Not because it was Ferrari, but to take the opportunity to be successful in such a huge responsibility role.
He would not. It is Ferrari, there is sh***t load of politics going on inside. Marchionne is putting his fingers everywhere and is quite proud of that. Big Luca was not much better.

Newey would have to spend most of his time and energy fighting, instead of doing what he loves the most - being engineer.
This. Agreed.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by strad » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:00 pm

Boy there are a couple I'd like to be able to up-vote and a half dozen I'd down vote as soon as I stopped laughing. ;-)
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by hugobos » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:03 pm

I really enjoyed this book, it has a lot of technical insight. also a small peek into the strange politics of F1 through the years. Fortunatly it is not a gossip book, i liked that. It helped me understand more - as the title says - how to build a car.
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by Fulcrum » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:29 am

I think Newey wasn't so naive to believe his reign at Ferrari - however extensive it may have been - would be free from political intrusion.

The fact he refused double-pay is more interesting; a minor indictment of Ferrari's operating structure, and an indication of his satisfaction working for Red Bull Technologies.

I personally think the biggest deal-breaker for Newey would have been moving away from the UK. It's a recurring theme for him whenever potential moves are on the table.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by hugobos » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:26 pm

In the book there is a page long answer from Newey to this question.
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by majki2111 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:02 pm

Is there free pdf online to download this book??

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by adrianjordan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:10 pm

majki2111 wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:02 pm
Is there free pdf online to download this book??
Very much doubt it. Certainly not a legal one.
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by garygph » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:32 pm

"Is there free pdf online to download this book??"

I certainly hope not, and as a F1 fan that admires what the man has done, legally not in the criminal world, you would respect that and pay for the privilege of reading his book.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by Sieper » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:35 pm

In Any case, this would not seem to be the place to ask. The book is actually very affordable (but that concept may vary) you can also sell it on after reading.

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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by strad » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:30 pm

I have the audible version I suggest you contact Audible them.
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Re: Adrian Newey book

Post by adrianjordan » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:56 pm

strad wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:30 pm
I have the audible version I suggest you contact Audible them.
Please tell me Adrian reads it himself...
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