No no nooo ....that perhaps would make Alonso committing suicide
Sorry but we're going to have to disagree. I was in the Japanese work force for over 40 years having worked for Toyo Kogyo (now Mazda), Honda and Toyota. HRD is nothing like the other two from philosophy, work culture and engineering and design methodology and approach.MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 05:14Many references to Japanese culture but I doubt many of the people commenting have worked with the Japanese or have been to Japan.
One of my favorite countries to visit and a fantastic culture. They do work very differently from western culture though.
I've been to Japan to work with Honda R&D before - they are no different from any other Japanese company.
Back on topic - It is very encouraging to see the improved reliability this year so far vs last.
Hopefully Honda does much better this year.
Saw them when they first started the current F1 foray. I think they were via http://en.hondaracingf1.com/ but that site is out fora rebuild. Can't find videos on the other site yet http://world.honda.com/Formula-1/powerunit/
I have my own ideas on the companys' corporate culture, based on my experience with the end products. It has always been reported that Honda is more engineering-driven and that is evident in the small details of the products. My brother has been trying to restore a Honda S600. Being able to buy many parts new for such a car is a statement in itself. I think commenters need to be clear on "Japanese culture" as common to Japanese companies vs "corporate culture" reflecting the individual company.
To clarify - the link above points to short summary of what is a full special edition magazine on racing published December 2017. About half of the magazine is on Honda F1. Would love to be able to read Japanese and see what it says.....blueytoo wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 01:54This japanese article shows RA161H vs RA617H. (Chrome is good for autotranslate. Bad for memory/disc.)
https://motor-fan.jp/article/10002128
Wazari wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 07:53Sorry but we're going to have to disagree. I was in the Japanese work force for over 40 years having worked for Toyo Kogyo (now Mazda), Honda and Toyota. HRD is nothing like the other two from philosophy, work culture and engineering and design methodology and approach.MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 05:14Many references to Japanese culture but I doubt many of the people commenting have worked with the Japanese or have been to Japan.
One of my favorite countries to visit and a fantastic culture. They do work very differently from western culture though.
I've been to Japan to work with Honda R&D before - they are no different from any other Japanese company.
Back on topic - It is very encouraging to see the improved reliability this year so far vs last.
Hopefully Honda does much better this year.
Hino translated the full article into english: forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18874&start=12660#p733944blueytoo wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:15To clarify - the link above points to short summary of what is a full special edition magazine on racing published December 2017. About half of the magazine is on Honda F1. Would love to be able to read Japanese and see what it says.....blueytoo wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 01:54This japanese article shows RA161H vs RA617H. (Chrome is good for autotranslate. Bad for memory/disc.)
https://motor-fan.jp/article/10002128
A brief summary would take pages. A complete summary would be a long textbook. From a racing perspective? That's a difficult question to answer as racing is just a small sector of each company. One difference is Honda is the only Japanese company I have worked for that really encourages it's designers and engineers to think outside the box. They are nowhere near as rigid in this area as your typical Japanese company. That's one thing I really liked about HRD. Even with the current formula PU, different teams were formed to come up with different ideas and solutions. Soichro-san's basic philosophy of "being rouge is okay" is still there.blueytoo wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:10I have my own ideas on the companys' corporate culture, based on my experience with the end products. It has always been reported that Honda is more engineering-driven and that is evident in the small details of the products. My brother has been trying to restore a Honda S600. Being able to buy many parts new for such a car is a statement in itself. I think commenters need to be clear on "Japanese culture" as common to Japanese companies vs "corporate culture" reflecting the individual company.
Please could you write a brief summary of what you see as the differences between them, from a racing perspective?
Likewise, eagerly waiting to see how things pan out. TR are bringing some updates and will definitely run Qual sims like they did last year.Wazari wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 23:34
I looking forward to this week's testing. I'm sure they will turn up the wick this week. I have had some people PM me saying the 618 is the same PU as the 617. I can assure you it is not. Only the overall the architecture is the same but majority of the components are new and its physical dimensions and weight are also different. So is the efficiency and power....
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... h=d3ef5235I'll do the rest once I eat dinner - please ignore any grammatical issues, as I didn't proofread the text.
Also sorry for the sloppy photoshopping.