2018 British Grand Prix, Silverstone, July 6-8

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Re: 2018 British Grand Prix, Silverstone, July 6-8

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Zynerji wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:31
MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:26
Weather will be the same tomorrow. Tyre degradation will determine the winner.
If that's the case, I would expect a Ferrari 1-2...
Don't know. It was reported that Ferrari had higher degradation in their FP2 long runs than Merc but who knows how they might changed the set up over night. They can definitely put a lot of pressure on Hamiltion given that he has two Ferraris behind him.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:35
Zynerji wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:31
MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:26
Weather will be the same tomorrow. Tyre degradation will determine the winner.
If that's the case, I would expect a Ferrari 1-2...
Don't know. It was reported that Ferrari had higher degradation in their FP2 long runs than Merc but who knows how they might changed the set up over night. They can definitely put a lot of pressure on Hamiltion given that he has two Ferraris behind him.
You can count Kimi to be attacked and over taken by Bottas and behind him, is Verstappen!

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It's going to be an exciting first lap, for sure!

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I can only imagine the trouble with overheating Mercedes would have been in if Pirelli didn't bring special tyres here.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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One can argue neck issue and subsequent missing track time cost Vettel pole today. Oh well, win some, lose some. Hoping for a great start tommorow.

On another note, speed trough all the major corner was trully epic and insane today.

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Anyone surprised about Ferrari pace yet?

:mrgreen:

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There is not a coincidence that here 6 cars from top 10 are with a Ferrari PU (not the engine ... I`ll explain that later):

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And here are 5 arguments why Ferrari PU now is more powerful than the Merc one:
1. Cr.Horner`s statement;
2. Niky Lauda said on Sky that Ferrari are faster both on the straights and in the corners;
3. Nico Rosberg said on RTL that after 5 years Ferrari PU is ahead due to they have found something at the ERS side;
4. Lewis said that in Q3 Ferrari pulled out something extra out of the bag;
5. Between Q2 and Q3, Kimi raised his top speed from 323 to 325km/h and Vettel from 321 to 324km/h

Merc team did the same top speeds in all qualy sessions so it seems to me that they are in those 2-3 races when they`ll run in conservative PU modes until they are satisfied by the reliability ...
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Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:46
I can only imagine the trouble with overheating Mercedes would have been in if Pirelli didn't bring special tyres here.
:) How is that the tyres with more tread, overheat, compared to the tyres that have a bit of a less tread which are being used in the GP currently?

The problem with the normal (older) specification is that, on newly asphalted surfaces, the tyres get heated too fast on outer layer and by the time the inner heats, the outer layer is gone. Hence these new specification tyres. It's not just Mercedes, every team would have struggled with older specification on this track. Remember Ferrari and Vettel's comments after Barcelona test, post the race which shut down this whole special tyre made for Mercedes thingy?
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Nuvolari wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:48
Anyone surprised about Ferrari pace yet?

:mrgreen:
Count me in. But race is tommorow. Lets not forget barca and their tire woes.

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GPR-A wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:49
Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:46
I can only imagine the trouble with overheating Mercedes would have been in if Pirelli didn't bring special tyres here.
:) How is that the tyres with more tread, overheat, compared to the tyres that have a bit of a less tread which are being used in the GP currently?
More tread, more heat/energy in the tyres would be my guess. But no matter what my guess about the reason would be, you know that Pirelli brought the special tyres to prevent blistering, right?

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Juzh wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:51
Nuvolari wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:48
Anyone surprised about Ferrari pace yet?

:mrgreen:
Count me in. But race is tommorow. Lets not forget barca and their tire woes.
They already showed in France that they can do well on the special tyres.

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GPR-A wrote:
Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:46
I can only imagine the trouble with overheating Mercedes would have been in if Pirelli didn't bring special tyres here.
:) How is that the tyres with more tread, overheat, compared to the tyres that have a bit of a less tread which are being used in the GP currently?
It' the lateral movement in the rubber causes a good proportion of heat in tyres. If there's less rubber then there's less lateral movement.

I'm referring to slicks in this case.
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I'm surprised why most are surprised about Ferrari's race. It was well-established over the past races that Ferrari has a more powerful PU and arguably better aero, or, rather a more optimised aero for their philosophy whereas Merc still hasn't matched it all out. If anything, this is Ferrari's race to lose.
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atanatizante wrote:
07 Jul 2018, 16:49
There is not a coincidence that here 6 cars from top 10 are with a Ferrari PU (not the engine ... I`ll explain that later):

https://postimages.org/

And here are 4 arguments why Ferrari PU now is more powerful than the Merc one:
1. Cr.Horner`s statement;
2. Nico Rosberg said on RTL that after 5 years Ferrari PU is ahead due to they have found something at the ERS side;
3. Lewis said that in Q3 Ferrari pulled out something extra out of the bag;
4. Between Q2 and Q3, Kimi raised his top speed from 323 to 325km/h and Vettel from 321 to 324km/h

Merc team did the same top speeds in all qualy sessions so it seems to me that they are in those 2-3 races when they`ll run in conservative PU modes until they are satisfied by the reliability ...
There's not enough data to 100% support this, mainly because BEST SPDH only shows us top speeds, which are aero dependant.

Q3 data below:
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S2 and S3 speed traps are traction and corner exit dependant and so can not be taken at face value, while S1 and SPDH are already into the drag limited teritory.

Maybe ferrari really is tiny bit ahead, but more data is needed.

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Horner stated that the data they had showed Ferrari's PU was the more powerful one.
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