Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
yusupov
yusupov
1
Joined: 19 Feb 2018, 03:15

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

so you've recently predicted something they were already being investigated for, much less accused of, in spain?

LM10
LM10
120
Joined: 07 Mar 2018, 00:07

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Ferrari used the bulged engine cover again in FP3. So it can be told that they actually were using the wider one for cooling reasons in FP2.

User avatar
Mr.G
34
Joined: 10 Feb 2010, 22:52
Location: Slovakia

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

LM10 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 14:43
Ferrari used the bulged engine cover again in FP3. So it can be told that they actually were using the wider one for cooling reasons in FP2.
or just comparing data...
Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is calculating. Steven K. Roberts

LM10
LM10
120
Joined: 07 Mar 2018, 00:07

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Mr.G wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 14:50
LM10 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 14:43
Ferrari used the bulged engine cover again in FP3. So it can be told that they actually were using the wider one for cooling reasons in FP2.
or just comparing data...
They already have data to compare from yesterday. :) They used the bulged one in FP1 and the wider one in FP2.

saviour stivala
saviour stivala
48
Joined: 25 Apr 2018, 12:54

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

PlatinumZealot wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 13:57
roon wrote:
20 Jul 2018, 18:08
Two tips but one pipe. A way to legally maximize the height of the topmost pipe, perhaps.
The bottom pipe doesnt seem necessary for flow capacit barely any flow would go though it at that 90 degree branch. Likely there for legal reasons. Maybe two pipes are required by the regs and Ferrari only need one.
according to the rule the use of two waste gates requires each having their own separate dedicated exhaust pipe.

PhillipM
PhillipM
385
Joined: 16 May 2011, 15:18
Location: Over the road from Boothy...

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Again, making your own rules up, it says nothing of the sort, it just says you may have one or two.

However, there is a minimum area, and there's a rule saying both must be the same size if there's two, so it may be a way to bring the gas velocity up in thhe upper pipe, whilst still meeting the minimum size limits, to give more effect near the wing.

bill shoe
bill shoe
151
Joined: 19 Nov 2008, 08:18
Location: Dallas, Texas, USA

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Image

I still think the new wastegate pipe arrangement is very clever, but Ferrari reverted to a more conventional layout for Saturday. Did the FIA tell them to revert or was it a Ferrari decision?

User avatar
jagunx51
185
Joined: 23 Feb 2014, 12:06

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

roon wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 01:48
I wonder if the lower pipe entrains flow into the upper pipe.

https://i.imgur.com/F1DqvnV.jpg

Edit: this may violate:
5.8.2 Engine exhaust systems must have only a single turbine tailpipe exit and either one or two wastegate tailpipe exits which must all be rearward facing and through which all exhaust gases must pass. All and only the turbine exit exhaust gases must pass through the turbine tailpipe and all and only the wastegate exhaust gases must pass through the wastegate tailpipe(s). None of the tailpipes may be contained within any of the other tailpipes.
So it may just be about raising the height of the topmost pipe, or altering exhaust pulse timing out of the wastegate pipes. The lower pipe being maybe 80mm longer (length of elbow).
could it be a resonator/expansion chamber ? not sure yet

http://www.somersf1.co.uk/2012/07/red-b ... nsion.html

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12772&start=30

https://www.f1technical.net/development ... st-chamber

Image

Image

Image
............!!!!

paddyf1
paddyf1
5
Joined: 17 Sep 2010, 13:34

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post


paddyf1
paddyf1
5
Joined: 17 Sep 2010, 13:34

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

paddyf1 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 21:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHGZp2UyZw&t=0s
25 second mark. I think it was the same bit that eventually fell off.

roon
roon
412
Joined: 17 Dec 2016, 19:04

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

jagunx51 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 13:47
roon wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 01:48
I wonder if the lower pipe entrains flow into the upper pipe.

https://i.imgur.com/F1DqvnV.jpg

Edit: this may violate:
5.8.2 Engine exhaust systems must have only a single turbine tailpipe exit and either one or two wastegate tailpipe exits which must all be rearward facing and through which all exhaust gases must pass. All and only the turbine exit exhaust gases must pass through the turbine tailpipe and all and only the wastegate exhaust gases must pass through the wastegate tailpipe(s). None of the tailpipes may be contained within any of the other tailpipes.
So it may just be about raising the height of the topmost pipe, or altering exhaust pulse timing out of the wastegate pipes. The lower pipe being maybe 80mm longer (length of elbow).
could it be a resonator/expansion chamber ? not sure yet
Makes sense to me. Reduce the intensity of the exhaust pulses, create smoother flow. If I understand the working principals correctly.

User avatar
DVB
11
Joined: 21 Aug 2015, 22:52

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Well, at least they can give Vettel a free new gearbox for the next race. Think about the positive things! 8)
Everybody is a Ferrari fan.

User avatar
Godius
186
Joined: 02 Mar 2013, 12:49
Location: NL

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post


LM10
LM10
120
Joined: 07 Mar 2018, 00:07

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

Nice picture and nice copy material for the opponent.

djones
djones
20
Joined: 17 Mar 2005, 15:01

Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF71H

Post

All this recent talk of the Ferrari engine being the most powerful....

I think its not and the Merc still is and its just the Ferrari is really clean on the aero (like Red Bull).