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Renault's Cyril Abiteboul has revealed that the French manufacturer aims to continue its ascent in the engine department as the company is preparing a completely new platform, including novel technology that has not yet been seen on the track.
Seems like the actual technical guys at the team aren't as confident:godlameroso wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 19:17Renault seems confident they'll make a step forward with the power unit. I wonder where this enthusiasm comes from. Given the lack of improvement seen this year, I wonder if there's a planned architechture change for next year.
http://www.f1i.com/news/313807-chester- ... rades.html"I would say, yeah - we are a bit surprised," he said, pointing to the big step forward Ferrari made with their second-generation engine of the season which was introduced in Montreal.
“They’ve got a strong engine anyway, but it is really quite strong now," he said. "The performance is right up there.
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"It just seems to be more power unit output," he told Crash.net. "Their straight line speeds are very strong while running a sensible rear wing on the car. So they do seem to just have good power."
“It does give us a concern. We are obviously in a pretty tight fight, so we have brought stuff all the way up to the shutdown.”
Cyril is highly confident of everything they have "in the pipeline", most of it has been smoke though.. Apparentpy Spec C will make RBR regret it's Honda decision.. and yet Ferraris gain startled them... We'll see how good it ends up being. Cyril has talked this spec up big time.godlameroso wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 19:17Renault seems confident they'll make a step forward with the power unit. I wonder where this enthusiasm comes from. Given the lack of improvement seen this year, I wonder if there's a planned architechture change for next year.
ferrari has also startled mercedes.. so...GhostF1 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 00:16Cyril is highly confident of everything they have "in the pipeline", most of it has been smoke though.. Apparentpy Spec C will make RBR regret it's Honda decision.. and yet Ferraris gain startled them... We'll see how good it ends up being. Cyril has talked this spec up big time.
To be honest, I don't really put much weight on statements regarding the Renault PU, that are made by Cyril. I gauge things more on comments by Rémi Taffin. Cyril has made some dodgy comments, even in the recent past. He said that the gains from the spec B engine would be more than the then current deficit. He talked about the party mode before it was used and only downplayed it's effectiveness after it failed to impress in Austria. He claimed Renault only talked about it because Christian had spoken about it to the media.godlameroso wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 19:17Renault seems confident they'll make a step forward with the power unit. I wonder where this enthusiasm comes from. Given the lack of improvement seen this year, I wonder if there's a planned architechture change for next year.
Agree with this entirely. Cyril is a smoke blower, the much lauded Spec B is no better than Honda's Spec 2. The only thing I'll add, even though Taffin originally said he thinks they'll match Ferrari in 2019 a while ago, I think Renault will still lag next year. he said this before Canada and the fact they were surprised at Ferrari's big engine gain there and the way they worded their response to it, saying "it is a surprise actually.. Ferrari already had a strong engine, now it's a very very strong one".. essentially confirms, for me, they probably won't match that level too soon. I know that is a baseless statement to make based on their response to a competitor, but their attitude was sort of low and they didn't mention they will counter or anything like that.Ground Effect wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 08:36To be honest, I don't really put much weight on statements regarding the Renault PU, that are made by Cyril. I gauge things more on comments by Rémi Taffin. Cyril has made some dodgy comments, even in the recent past. He said that the gains from the spec B engine would be more than the then current deficit. He talked about the party mode before it was used and only downplayed it's effectiveness after it failed to impress in Austria. He claimed Renault only talked about it because Christian had spoken about it to the media.godlameroso wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 19:17Renault seems confident they'll make a step forward with the power unit. I wonder where this enthusiasm comes from. Given the lack of improvement seen this year, I wonder if there's a planned architechture change for next year.
I find it a bit interesting though, that Taffin, who is always a lot more reserved and cautious in making claims said that the plan is to catch Ferrari and Mercedes completely in 2019. I don't see them changing architecture next year.
Exactly, I guess they'll be re-evaluating their targets for 2019. They'll probably end up targeting being the 3rd best engine.GhostF1 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 09:32Agree with this entirely. Cyril is a smoke blower, the much lauded Spec B is no better than Honda's Spec 2. The only thing I'll add, even though Taffin originally said he thinks they'll match Ferrari in 2019 a while ago, I think Renault will still lag next year. he said this before Canada and the fact they were surprised at Ferrari's big engine gain there and the way they worded their response to it, saying "it is a surprise actually.. Ferrari already had a strong engine, now it's a very very strong one".. essentially confirms, for me, they probably won't match that level too soon. I know that is a baseless statement to make based on their response to a competitor, but their attitude was sort of low and they didn't mention they will counter or anything like that.Ground Effect wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 08:36To be honest, I don't really put much weight on statements regarding the Renault PU, that are made by Cyril. I gauge things more on comments by Rémi Taffin. Cyril has made some dodgy comments, even in the recent past. He said that the gains from the spec B engine would be more than the then current deficit. He talked about the party mode before it was used and only downplayed it's effectiveness after it failed to impress in Austria. He claimed Renault only talked about it because Christian had spoken about it to the media.godlameroso wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 19:17Renault seems confident they'll make a step forward with the power unit. I wonder where this enthusiasm comes from. Given the lack of improvement seen this year, I wonder if there's a planned architechture change for next year.
I find it a bit interesting though, that Taffin, who is always a lot more reserved and cautious in making claims said that the plan is to catch Ferrari and Mercedes completely in 2019. I don't see them changing architecture next year.
FERRARI does not use the mercedes "split turbo" concept.toraabe wrote: ↑12 Apr 2015, 12:48Well according to http://f1-insider.com/red-bull-renault- ... h-technik/
Renault lacks 80 hp to Merc / Ferrari engines in race trim.
In quali trim another 30 hp down due to a „Free-Load-System“ that both Merc and Ferrari are using.
To be honest, this is more than depressive to Renault.
If you look at Riccardo to manage 7. grid with 110 hp down still proves that the RB11 is on level with Merc and Ferrari when it comes to chassi.
Ferrari gained at least 80 hp during winter by adapting the merc innovated split turbo concept, and to be honest Renault cannot wait to adopt this. Longer pipes from the compressor means pressure drop and because of the higher temp in the conventional turbo even more is lost . With their current design no more power is available only behalf on durability. I also assume due to their concept the engine is running too hot and is suffering from continuous overloading.
My post is from April, 2015. I have learned a thing or two sincesaviour stivala wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 12:48free load system (mode)/ qualifying mode/ party mode: with the engine at full fuel flow allowed, in electric supercharging mode, with waste gates open and exhaust gases bypassing the turbine, with H and K sharing ES power.
Forgive my non-technical ignorance but does that mean that the MGU's are wholly responsible for spooling the turbo whilst the ICE is effectively running with no back-pressure because the wastegate is fully open?saviour stivala wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 12:48free load system (mode)/ qualifying mode/ party mode: with the engine at full fuel flow allowed, in electric supercharging mode, with waste gates open and exhaust gases bypassing the turbine, with H and K sharing ES power.
No, not wholly. There is still work being done to the turbine despite the waste gates being fully open.j2004p wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 12:54Forgive my non-technical ignorance but does that mean that the MGU's are wholly responsible for spooling the turbo whilst the ICE is effectively running with no back-pressure because the wastegate is fully open?saviour stivala wrote: ↑13 Aug 2018, 12:48free load system (mode)/ qualifying mode/ party mode: with the engine at full fuel flow allowed, in electric supercharging mode, with waste gates open and exhaust gases bypassing the turbine, with H and K sharing ES power.
since the introduction of the present power unit there were no manufacturers running without a waste gate. there was a time when Renault (if I am not mistaken) used a single entry turbine scroll and only one waste gate plus only one waste gate exhaust tail pipe. before the mandated waste gate/s exhaust tail pipe/s, all manufacturers waste gate/s bypassed the turbine and dumped exhaust gases into the turbine tail pipe.gruntguru wrote: ↑16 Apr 2015, 05:54I think Renault tried to run without a wastegate - using the load bank for the rare ocaision when the turbine was making power that couldn't be sent to the ES (battery full) or the MGUK (Driver throttle demand low). There was no suggestion that they don't have the same self-sustainig mode features as the other PU's. . . or am I missing your point?