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M840TR wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:10 pm
charliesmithhd wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:16 am
Renault introducing completely new engine in 2019
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/3196859/
As long as it's reliable...
If it's all new, then it will need development and reliability can't be guaranteed. It's about long-term strategy instead of short-term race results. Do Renault or McLaren have a dyno to run the power units in a complete chassis yet?

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JordanMugen wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:23 am
M840TR wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:10 pm
charliesmithhd wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:16 am
Renault introducing completely new engine in 2019
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/3196859/
As long as it's reliable...
If it's all new, then it will need development and reliability can't be guaranteed. It's about long-term strategy instead of short-term race results. Do Renault or McLaren have a dyno to run the power units in a complete chassis yet?
McLaren don't have a dyno from what ive read in the past, I think this show's that Renault and McLaren short-term need to form a close collaboration with each other, surprising in a way that McLaren have gone with another fuel supplier for 2019 I would have thought using the same fuel would be an advantage?

Hopefully Renault going in the right direction with new engine.
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KingHamilton01 wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:59 pm
JordanMugen wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:23 am
M840TR wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:10 pm


As long as it's reliable...
If it's all new, then it will need development and reliability can't be guaranteed. It's about long-term strategy instead of short-term race results. Do Renault or McLaren have a dyno to run the power units in a complete chassis yet?
McLaren don't have a dyno from what ive read in the past, I think this show's that Renault and McLaren short-term need to form a close collaboration with each other, surprising in a way that McLaren have gone with another fuel supplier for 2019 I would have thought using the same fuel would be an advantage?

Hopefully Renault going in the right direction with new engine.

I don't think McLaren needs a Dyno. They might need one of those rigs where they can test the PU installation in the full car.

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KingHamilton01 wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:59 pm
surprising in a way that McLaren have gone with another fuel supplier for 2019 I would have thought using the same fuel would be an advantage?
Usually, but then Renault have said their current lubricants/fuels are what's holding back Spec C from being as reliable as they want, so maybe they're getting a bit of an arms race going to see who can come up with something better.
It's not perfect though as it'll split resources for development and mapping.

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The McLaren and Petrobas deal is a €12m (€9m Technichal/€3m Cash) deal and its a one year deal. Petrobas spends €140,000 for every day they test new fuels/lubricants in the Renault Dynos, they have spent 20 days this year i hear. Renault do give them 5 days free, but Petrobas has taken 20 days more.

BP do suffer with engine knock, but they will catch up. If they catch up, the Renault in the back of the McLaren will be a powerful combination next year of the Ciry guys hit it off.

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ESPImperium wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:53 pm
The McLaren and Petrobas deal is a €12m (€9m Technichal/€3m Cash) deal and its a one year deal. Petrobas spends €140,000 for every day they test new fuels/lubricants in the Renault Dynos, they have spent 20 days this year i hear. Renault do give them 5 days free, but Petrobas has taken 20 days more.

BP do suffer with engine knock, but they will catch up. If they catch up, the Renault in the back of the McLaren will be a powerful combination next year of the Ciry guys hit it off.
Where did you get these figures?

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Couple of pics from today...
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A medium downforce RW but without endplate slots.

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M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:17 am
A medium downforce RW but without endplate slots.
I saw that and wondered the same thing....maybe a change for nex year? Maybe cause of the rain they added df and will remove depending on the conditions?

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diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:16 pm
M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:17 am
A medium downforce RW but without endplate slots.
I saw that and wondered the same thing....maybe a change for nex year? Maybe cause of the rain they added df and will remove depending on the conditions?
They needed to add downforce because it's a high DF circuit. But the slots were removed to reduce drag. It's a trade off.

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M840TR wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:24 pm
ESPImperium wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:53 pm
The McLaren and Petrobas deal is a €12m (€9m Technichal/€3m Cash) deal and its a one year deal. Petrobas spends €140,000 for every day they test new fuels/lubricants in the Renault Dynos, they have spent 20 days this year i hear. Renault do give them 5 days free, but Petrobas has taken 20 days more.

BP do suffer with engine knock, but they will catch up. If they catch up, the Renault in the back of the McLaren will be a powerful combination next year of the Ciry guys hit it off.
Where did you get these figures?
From what i read earlier in the year, can't remember where, but its what i read and if i remember there was a video or podcast about the fuels and how much they cost to run on the Dyno for testing.

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M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:34 pm
diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:16 pm
M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:17 am


A medium downforce RW but without endplate slots.
I saw that and wondered the same thing....maybe a change for nex year? Maybe cause of the rain they added df and will remove depending on the conditions?
They needed to add downforce because it's a high DF circuit. But the slots were removed to reduce drag. It's a trade off.
The slots reduce drag. Removing them increases drag.

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kfrantzios wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:21 pm
M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:34 pm
diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:16 pm


I saw that and wondered the same thing....maybe a change for nex year? Maybe cause of the rain they added df and will remove depending on the conditions?
They needed to add downforce because it's a high DF circuit. But the slots were removed to reduce drag. It's a trade off.
The slots reduce drag. Removing them increases drag.
I disagree it's the opposite.

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kfrantzios wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:21 pm
M840TR wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:34 pm
diffuser wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:16 pm


I saw that and wondered the same thing....maybe a change for nex year? Maybe cause of the rain they added df and will remove depending on the conditions?
They needed to add downforce because it's a high DF circuit. But the slots were removed to reduce drag. It's a trade off.
The slots reduce drag. Removing them increases drag.
It's the opposite. Some sites, mainly motorsport group, reported that but later we saw in pics of flo-viz testing on the Ferrari that it helps increase the upwash. Also everyone dropped it for low-downforce tracks, so.

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