2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[Jaisonas]

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1062107278436749313 A bit more on the team fight

[McMika98]

I don't agree, last race they did it the other way around, and Hartley gave him his place to maximize the chance of points for the team - so he was right to expect the same now.

And Gasly was on massive fuel saving mode and couldn't even keep Sainz behind in the end, so what should he be "fighting" for?

Look at the video. Sainz was more closer to Hartley than Hartley was to Gasly, Gasly would lose two places immediately if he had let Hartley pass and for what, they were never going to get Perez. Dumb move. Fuel saving forced by team prolly to let Hartley by. Sainz was behind Gasly after pitstop and never threatened him.

[marmer]

I don't agree, last race they did it the other way around, and Hartley gave him his place to maximize the chance of points for the team - so he was right to expect the same now.

And Gasly was on massive fuel saving mode and couldn't even keep Sainz behind in the end, so what should he be "fighting" for?

Look at the video. Sainz was more closer to Hartley than Hartley was to Gasly, Gasly would lose two places immediately if he had let Hartley pass and for what, they were never going to get Perez. Dumb move. Fuel saving forced by team prolly to let Hartley by. Sainz was behind Gasly after pitstop and never threatened him.

one key point when this started there was still a few laps to go with a decent battle up front anything could happen. if just one car was to dnf they would have been in the points and holding hartley up was compromising this every lap to the risk that Sainz might get past him

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I don't agree, last race they did it the other way around, and Hartley gave him his place to maximize the chance of points for the team - so he was right to expect the same now.

And Gasly was on massive fuel saving mode and couldn't even keep Sainz behind in the end, so what should he be "fighting" for?

Look at the video. Sainz was more closer to Hartley than Hartley was to Gasly, Gasly would lose two places immediately if he had let Hartley pass and for what, they were never going to get Perez. Dumb move. Fuel saving forced by team prolly to let Hartley by. Sainz was behind Gasly after pitstop and never threatened him.

yeah, in that 20s video. He was right behind him for 6 or 7 laps though, and the sound in the video is unlikely to be sync with the pictures

[HPD]

To overtake someone means to use more fuel and tires. For what?
It is assumed that the team orders are to avoid this

[tcooper27]

While I think Gasly should have let Hartley by when told he had some pretty good points.. Sainz was way too close to Hartley and how did the team expect Hartley on fresh supers to catch up and pass Perez when he couldn't even pass Gasly on his blown out mediums? Should have just let them race.

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how did the team expect Hartley on fresh supers to catch up and pass Perez when he couldn't even pass Gasly on his blown out mediums?

I don't think they really expected him to close the 20s to Perez, more like having a better chance to secure 11th ahead of Sainz, in case there's another DNF.

And to be fair to Hartley, the way it sounds like, the team told him that Gasly would let him pass. So we just don't know if he "couldn't even pass Gasly" or just didn't try because he didn't want to take unnecessary risks.

[!Technical]

I imagine we'll hear the same whining when Max and Gasly are at each other's throats next year

[nzjrs]

While I think Gasly should have let Hartley by when told he had some pretty good points.. Sainz was way too close to Hartley and how did the team expect Hartley on fresh supers to catch up and pass Perez when he couldn't even pass Gasly on his blown out mediums? Should have just let them race.

I watched on the timing screens Harley catch Gasly from ~11 sec to ~1 sec, and then Sainz catch them both from ~4 sec to less than 1 second. The clips on the youtube footage compress time. All passing is risk, and as Hartley said on the radio, why lunge down the inside - he's not sure if Gasly will react in the angry and frustrated way he sounds on the radio!

[McMika98]

Had there been a DNF, they were gauranteed 10th and 11th position with Gasly n Harltey as Sainz wasnt going to overtake them in the straights. Dont see the benefit of switching them at final laps and lose position on one car. What if there was two DNF.

[marmer]

Had there been a DNF, they were gauranteed 10th and 11th position with Gasly n Harltey as Sainz wasnt going to overtake them in the straights. Dont see the benefit of switching them at final laps and lose position on one car. What if there was two DNF.

Not swapping runs the risk that sainz passes both of them and then an potential for a final point

Also sitting behind gas increases the chances of having an accident due to Hartley having basically nowhere to go

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Watch the race again since lap 30, Sainz was 0.3seconds behind Gasly n stayed at least 30 laps within a second but could never pass him, didnt have the top speed to overtake the Honda power

well, but Hartley quicker at that point, wasn't he?!

Let's just assume they had remained in the position they were in, and Gasly kept 11th place - and then Perez had a puncture close to the end, finishing half a second ahead of him. Do you still think it would have been the better decision not to let Hartley go past?

[McMika98]

Bravo bravo. Delusion fantasy of highest order.
What if Hamilton crashed in lap1 in all race in 2019. What if..
If Perez had a puncture they all would still overtake him a matter of few corners, when was the last time he had a puncture. Oh wait never in 2018. Perez was 40 seconds ahead on a much faster car. Hartley at best would match his lap time. After few laps of catching Gasly, Hartley dropped off and was more than a second behind in lap 68, Sainz further second behind. The tyres were done.

[Revs84]

Bravo bravo. Delusion fantasy of highest order.
What if Hamilton crashed in lap1 in all race in 2019. What if..
If Perez had a puncture they all would still overtake him a matter of few corners, when was the last time he had a puncture. Oh wait never in 2018. Perez was 40 seconds ahead on a much faster car. Hartley at best would match his lap time. After few laps of catching Gasly, Hartley dropped off and was more than a second behind in lap 68, Sainz further second behind. The tyres were done.

Anything can happen in a race, such as a driver spinning, having contact etc. You saw what happened to Verstappen and that's what race strategy is about. Capitalising on every opportunity.

Hartley made up ~12 seconds on Gasly in few laps. Gasly was losing ground to Perez. Hartley could have come closer to Perez if he was let past and would have been in a better position to capitalise on any issues occurring to Perez.

Ultimately you are not racing for yourself, but for the team, so if the team says faster driver goes through, it should be respected.

[Godius]

Bravo bravo. Delusion fantasy of highest order.
What if Hamilton crashed in lap1 in all race in 2019. What if..
If Perez had a puncture they all would still overtake him a matter of few corners, when was the last time he had a puncture. Oh wait never in 2018. Perez was 40 seconds ahead on a much faster car. Hartley at best would match his lap time. After few laps of catching Gasly, Hartley dropped off and was more than a second behind in lap 68, Sainz further second behind. The tyres were done.

Anything can happen in a race, such as a driver spinning, having contact etc. You saw what happened to Verstappen and that's what race strategy is about. Capitalising on every opportunity.

Hartley made up ~12 seconds on Gasly in few laps. Gasly was losing ground to Perez. Hartley could have come closer to Perez if he was let past and would have been in a better position to capitalise on any issues occurring to Perez.

Ultimately you are not racing for yourself, but for the team, so if the team says faster driver goes through, it should be respected.

I agree with you especially when you take into account that Hartley clearly had the better tires but could not make the most out of them because he was driving in wake turbulence of Gasly. This this kind of acts like a multiplier to tire wear, so the logic of the team order driver swap made perfect sense; you put the driver who has the better tires in front so he can pull away from the danger zone and possibly put pressure on the car in front who is in the points.