2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

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2019 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal June 7-9

Post by MtthsMlw » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:10 am

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Unc1eM0nty » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:25 am

Ahhhhh, at last a proper track to help us forget Monaco

Qualy was very close last year, top six were within four tenths, here's hoping for more of the same.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by izzy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:36 am

Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:25 am
Ahhhhh, at last a proper track to help us forget Monaco

Qualy was very close last year, top six were within four tenths, here's hoping for more of the same.
Mmmm, hope so. Tho Helmut said Mercedes have the best traction and this is Traction City, on top of the new engine

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by NathanOlder » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:48 am

And apparently an extra 20hp to use with that traction
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by vogonvader » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:53 am

NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:48 am
And apparently an extra 20hp to use with that traction
Probably only in quali though

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:00 pm

Stability under braking is important here Rbr is supreme in this regard,Ferrari had top end power and Mercedes good in slow speed corners .it could be close

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Slo Poke » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:12 pm

NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:48 am
And apparently an extra 20hp to use with that traction
Conventional differentials are renowned back-breakers when going in and accelerating away from corners. Improved upon however, it could be said or likened to a twenty horsepower addition to engine power.
Ferrari had similar last year but failed to go fully with it and attempted instead to mix old with new. Result: barriered. Remnants remain binned in Germany.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by izzy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:16 pm

vogonvader wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:53 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:48 am
And apparently an extra 20hp to use with that traction
Probably only in quali though
I bet the new Merc engine will come with a new Phase Document that sets out basically the damage budget and what modes they can use for how long, and the higher power race modes will have longer periods allowed now. That's what they mean really when they say 'reliability'

but all the teams will have upgrades so let's see. Ferrari should have more downforce and Red Bull should generally be getting closer to their old advantages in braking and low speed. and last year it just needed a flap or something in the cooling system to go wrong and ruin the race for Lewis

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by TAG » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:01 pm

Mercedes 1-2 written all over the package. Let's see what's inside when we open it up. As of now a party sunny and low 70s... that's low 20s for you metricmaticians.
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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by GPR -A » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:27 pm

Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:00 pm
Stability under braking is important here Rbr is supreme in this regard,
What technical characteristics of a car define this? How do you measure it?

A Driver's skill and confidence in breaking late, carrying more speed and handling any kind of instabilities and/or oversteer through a corner, defines the speed carried through a corner. More robust drivers like Alonso, Hamilton and Max manage to handle breaking and mid-corner instabilities much better than most others. Would that define their car as a whole more supreme?

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:40 pm

Fia publish qualifying sector times you can look at speed the driver carries under braking Redbull is consistently top notch .Riccardo can't pull those late breaking overtake in a Renault because car simply does not allow he has not forgotten how to drive

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by izzy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:58 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:27 pm
Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:00 pm
Stability under braking is important here Rbr is supreme in this regard,
What technical characteristics of a car define this? How do you measure it?

A Driver's skill and confidence in breaking late, carrying more speed and handling any kind of instabilities and/or oversteer through a corner, defines the speed carried through a corner. More robust drivers like Alonso, Hamilton and Max manage to handle breaking and mid-corner instabilities much better than most others. Would that define their car as a whole more supreme?
One thing the Red Bull used to have, up until this year at least, was that under braking and at low speeds the rake and suspension dropped the front wing onto the ground, for ground effect. Red Bull have had the best braking and low speed grip for a long time. So as @Bill says ex Red Bull drivers like Seb and Danny have had to adjust and make mistakes under pressure

Now maybe Mercedes have it, and Red Bull will be working on getting it back, but there's some telemetry posted on here, yesterday iirc, that shows Lewis braking later than Max in Monaco

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by GPR -A » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:28 pm

Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:40 pm
Fia publish qualifying sector times you can look at speed the driver carries under braking Redbull is consistently top notch .Riccardo can't pull those late breaking overtake in a Renault because car simply does not allow he has not forgotten how to drive
First off, FIA's sector times does not give any information about a car's breaking performance. Ricciardo is struggling like any new driver in a new car. Once he settles in and understand the behavior of the car better, he would be back on his usual driving mode. With the rear brakes being BBW and controlled by Software, which is configured for track characteristics, it's always a feel a driver would get to do the best.

Vettel never struggled for breaking when he moved to Ferrari and neither does Red Bull employs mediocre drivers (with the exception of Webber & Gasly). So these guys know how to make the best use of the high class equipment. It's more to do with driver, than a car with regards to the breaking performance.

Hamilton struggled with late breaking in 2014, when the then new technology of BBW came in picture and Brembo breaks were not up to it and he had to play around with Carbon Industrie breaks. In that period, he lost out a lot to Nico in qualifying. But once he got hold of the breaks, he started outshining Nico almost always.

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by Bill » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:58 pm

https://i.imgur.com/sEVQGcW.png

This provides data from china race the information is there if want it shows Rbr great late breaking

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Re: 2019 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 7-9

Post by ringo » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:22 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:28 pm
Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:40 pm
Fia publish qualifying sector times you can look at speed the driver carries under braking Redbull is consistently top notch .Riccardo can't pull those late breaking overtake in a Renault because car simply does not allow he has not forgotten how to drive
First off, FIA's sector times does not give any information about a car's breaking performance. Ricciardo is struggling like any new driver in a new car. Once he settles in and understand the behavior of the car better, he would be back on his usual driving mode. With the rear brakes being BBW and controlled by Software, which is configured for track characteristics, it's always a feel a driver would get to do the best.

Vettel never struggled for breaking when he moved to Ferrari and neither does Red Bull employs mediocre drivers (with the exception of Webber & Gasly). So these guys know how to make the best use of the high class equipment. It's more to do with driver, than a car with regards to the breaking performance.

Hamilton struggled with late breaking in 2014, when the then new technology of BBW came in picture and Brembo breaks were not up to it and he had to play around with Carbon Industrie breaks. In that period, he lost out a lot to Nico in qualifying. But once he got hold of the breaks, he started outshining Nico almost always.
I don't think that is necessarily true for many technical reasons; the tyres being a major one, and then the aerodynamics. Ricciardo will never do what he was doing in the redbull in renault, no matter how comfortable he gets in the RS19.
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