Andres125sx wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:34 pm
diffuser wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:35 pm
BrunoH wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:15 pm
Well, im not in the engineering room to look at the data, even if they themselves dont know exact how much ( remember with honda? ) so i think its a good portion lacking of engine power that in turn forces a team like Mclaren to run less downforce, and that makes the chassis look worse than it is... its a vicious cycle.
Redbull with the honda engine is doing the same, but they seems to be able to generate more from the car than others and can get away with less wing. But i bet if they had the power mercedes has.. with the same wing angles, redbull wold be champions...
You don't have to be in the engineering room. Just look at the Monaco Gap. Like I said before, every team has atleast 20% more power than they can use there. They all run as much DF as they can cause, well, they have more power than they can use. That Qualifying Gap is all Chassis and tires. It says it all. Merc has hands down the best Chassis this year. With that GAP, doesn't matter what PU they used, they'd still be behind. Big change from last year where RBR would have been 1 & 2 in Monaco if it wasn't for the "Max" issue.
Wow what a bold statement for someone who think he knows everything and anyone disagreeing is wrong
If my memory serves me, Monaco is around 30% full throttle, the lowest on the calendar, but that´s far from meaning they have more power than they can use. It actually means in one third of the track they could use more power. Fact.
But even in the rest of the track, PUs can make a difference too, even if not at full throttle. Drive-ability is another important factor, how drivers can apply the power to the tarmac. Some weeks ago Sainz said for the TV Honda PU is very good when they´re traction limited, but it´s lacking when they engage 5th gear and above. That means in Monaco Honda is probably a better PU than Renault, even if it´s providing less power (and that´s not sure).
Power is just one parameter in a PU, not the only one
Edit: and they do NOT use as much DF as possible because they can´t use the available power, they use as much DF as possible because the only drawback with DF is the added drag lowering top speed, but on a track like Monaco with no long straights, drag is not a big penalty because the average speed is very low, while DF is providing more speed though the corners which basically means around most of the track, so it´s worth adding as much DF as possible
Nope just him. Not that i dislike him or anything, just disagree with him . Am I not allowed ?
- When was the last time they check that 30% Full throttle? Full throttle of what, the least demanding PU Mapping? on a PU that in most cases has run 5 other races, that you likely don't want to be pushing any more?
We weren't taking about Drive-ability, which I personally think is a joke, nor did I say Honda had less power. Initially the conversation was about him not believing what Cyril said about the Renault PU matching Merc and Ferrari in race conditions.
With regards with your DF remarks, I agree. you're just looking at it from the other side.