2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by nzjrs » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:03 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:01 pm
Wouter wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:27 pm

Max is talking about the chassis. The engine needs only a little bit more power ( because you want always more he said).
You can use Google translate, than you have acces to Dutch articles about Max.
Granted the chassis isnt quite Merc level but it is clearly better than Renault yet both cars were ahead of Gasly who was on similar startegy.
This year we have two teams to get extra data, what is coincidental so far is on power tracks all Honda cars suffer. I would rather an engine upgrade asap.
Mate, didn't you say yesterday that you were signing off for the season?

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by langedweil » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:41 am

nzjrs wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:03 pm
Mate, didn't you say yesterday that you were signing off for the season?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by IvailoStefanovBG » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:02 am

Marti_EF3 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:47 pm
Albert Fabrega just said on TV that RBR have a big chassis update ready for France =D>
So my own opinion is at the moment RBR are running little more RW to address low traction and not enough DF at rear. This creates more drag and Honda power deficit looks a little bit more than it actually is. From the beginning of the year RBR can`t do what they`ve done recent years with Reno engine - run less RW and compensate power deficit. If they have major aero upgrade at France i think they will address this issue. This will trigger chain reaction in car performance and gains can be massive (more traction in corner exit, more speed on straight, etc.). We saw in Monaco and Canada that Max needed just a little bit more power and traction to overtake Ham in Monaco and Bottas in Canada. If RBR can battle Mercs this will be massive gain in overall performance.

I also think RBR must give Max a champion car till the end of the season or he will drive Mercedes next year.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by KelsO » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:26 am

IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:02 am
Marti_EF3 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:47 pm
Albert Fabrega just said on TV that RBR have a big chassis update ready for France =D>
So my own opinion is at the moment RBR are running little more RW to address low traction and not enough DF at rear. This creates more drag and Honda power deficit looks a little bit more than it actually is. From the beginning of the year RBR can`t do what they`ve done recent years with Reno engine - run less RW and compensate power deficit. If they have major aero upgrade at France i think they will address this issue. This will trigger chain reaction in car performance and gains can be massive (more traction in corner exit, more speed on straight, etc.). We saw in Monaco and Canada that Max needed just a little bit more power and traction to overtake Ham in Monaco and Bottas in Canada. If RBR can battle Mercs this will be massive gain in overall performance.

I also think RBR must give Max a champion car till the end of the season or he will drive Mercedes next year.
Yes, maybe you are right. Binotto said that, just like Bahrain, in Canada, the balance of work was shifted to the rear wheels, which is why Ferrari was strong on these tracks and that is why Red Bull was weak. Red Bull has not very good starts and a slow way out of the turn. And since the beginning of the season, they complain about the balance of the back of the car. I watched Bahrain telemetry, Max lost to Maclaren at the exit of the turn, when need work by throttle.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by etusch » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:37 am

KelsO wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:26 am

Yes, maybe you are right. Binotto said that, just like Bahrain, in Canada, the balance of work was shifted to the rear wheels, which is why Ferrari was strong on these tracks and that is why Red Bull was weak. Red Bull has not very good starts and a slow way out of the turn. And since the beginning of the season, they complain about the balance of the back of the car. I watched Bahrain telemetry, Max lost to Maclaren at the exit of the turn, when need work by throttle.
Can that rear issue be because of different Engine layout of Renault and Honda ? There is structural difference, cog and weight difference. Maybe They have to have a closer look of mercedes rear ( not so easy) as engine looks like Mercedes Engine

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Marti_EF3 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:05 am

Race pace

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Gasly race pace is horrible #-o

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by KelsO » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:09 am

etusch wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:37 am

Can that rear issue be because of different Engine layout of Renault and Honda ? There is structural difference, cog and weight difference. Maybe They have to have a closer look of mercedes rear ( not so easy) as engine looks like Mercedes Engine
I thinked about this. But Red Bull is too smart to go wrong with weight balance. On the other hand, why did Mercedes increase the chassis length in 2017? Maybe the engine demanded more and more air ducts (we see how Honda made them more) and they were forced to increase the length of the chassis? hmm interesting. But if Red Bull has this problem, wouldn't they be good at overclocking? This is a difficult question, because we don't know what Red Bull has changed for the PU Honda ... suspension attachment points? Mclaren changed the suspension, after the transition to Renault.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by KelsO » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:25 am

Fresh news from Honda (not officially)
The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by loekf2 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:51 am

KelsO wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:25 am
Fresh news from Honda (not officially)
The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74
I am also wondering about the Red Bull changes. Fact is, this car has problems with mechanical grip at its rear end since the beginning.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by rogazilla » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:05 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:01 pm

Granted the chassis isnt quite Merc level but it is clearly better than Renault yet both cars were ahead of Gasly who was on similar startegy.
This year we have two teams to get extra data, what is coincidental so far is on power tracks all Honda cars suffer. I would rather an engine upgrade asap.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
Best I heard in years! Anyone who has been watching F1 and think Gasly's time is representative of what the Red bull hardware can do should just be laughed at as a comedian here! Looking at this the other way, Ric and Hulk with their massively superior engine and their experiences, they can only lap around just ahead of Gasly. I think Renault over paid their drivers.
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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by HPD » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:05 pm

Marti_EF3 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:05 am
Gasly race pace is horrible #-o
Gasly: “It was a pretty difficult day but the car actually felt quite good so it is disappointing to finish where we did. We expected to be stronger than this. With the heat, we just had to save the engine, brakes and that just made the whole race difficult. We struggled with traffic and had to save the brakes, which compromised us a bit, and I of course wanted to finish better than this.”
https://formulaspy.com/formula-1/pierre ... akes-61880

I still think that Gasly should leave RB. I'm sorry for Gasl.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by loner » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:07 pm

KelsO wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:25 am
Fresh news from Honda (not officially)
The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74
good news this
para bellum.

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by Marti_EF3 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:14 pm

loner wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:07 pm
KelsO wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:25 am
Fresh news from Honda (not officially)
The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74
good news this
So, that will be the last penalty free PU? And then next update is expected in Sochi just before Japan I guess

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Re: 2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

Post by rogazilla » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:23 pm

Previously we heard Honda is changing the PU also to allow redbull's packaging upgrade. Does that mean they can no longer use spec 1/2 for Friday after the car upgrade? Or can they still use the old ICE for Friday?