I find it strange that teams can have three different spec ICE's and TC per season (because there isn't a point system anymore and no frozen components) but don't use that option for a high altitude spec TC or a bullit proof one for all the circuits where power doen't matter.Maritimer wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 00:40Loads of downforce was the biggest thing, Mexico for sure is aero limited even though it has the longest(second longest?) straight on the calendar. The Renault engine "worked better" because it was less powerful and the drivers weren't as traction limited there as elsewhere. Less power meant they were less likely to light up the tires due to reduced aero loads and could get on the power sooner.
It could be that the RB teams and Renault/McL will be closer again to the front pair assuming the chassis cooperate and they can throw enough wing at the cars.
It had nothing at all to do with the Renault PU. The gap the Renault PU has to the other PU'S is lessened in the high altitude, but it has no advantages. The Renault factory cars were not any higher than usual at Mexico.Maritimer wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 00:40Loads of downforce was the biggest thing, Mexico for sure is aero limited even though it has the longest(second longest?) straight on the calendar. The Renault engine "worked better" because it was less powerful and the drivers weren't as traction limited there as elsewhere. Less power meant they were less likely to light up the tires due to reduced aero loads and could get on the power sooner.
It could be that the RB teams and Renault/McL will be closer again to the front pair assuming the chassis cooperate and they can throw enough wing at the cars.
The Renault PU is not better at high altitude, it just isn't as bad as usual. The PU is not at all why they were strong, it is all down to downforce, traction and taking care of the tires.Mansell89 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 00:20Higher altitude this weekend than is the norm. Obviously Mexico is the highest but one thing I wanted to ask about was the Renault PU.
Red Bull have gone very well in Mexico in recent seasons and I recall a comment from Horner about the Renault PU brings stronger there than other tracks. Given they went very nicely in Austria last season too (also with Renault engine), could the likes of Renault & McLaren look forward to an increase in performance this weekend?
Anyone able to help an amateur like me understand why Red Bull Renault was so competitive at those two circuits last year?
Thanks in advance
ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 02:34It had nothing at all to do with the Renault PU. The gap the Renault PU has to the other PU'S is lessened in the high altitude, but it has no advantages. The Renault factory cars were not any higher than usual at Mexico.Maritimer wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 00:40Loads of downforce was the biggest thing, Mexico for sure is aero limited even though it has the longest(second longest?) straight on the calendar. The Renault engine "worked better" because it was less powerful and the drivers weren't as traction limited there as elsewhere. Less power meant they were less likely to light up the tires due to reduced aero loads and could get on the power sooner.
It could be that the RB teams and Renault/McL will be closer again to the front pair assuming the chassis cooperate and they can throw enough wing at the cars.
The RBR was fast in Mexico for the same reason that they were fast in Monaco, their maximum downforce package was superior to the rest of the field and it helped them take care of the tires.
I feel sorry for you if that’s what you’re excited for.spin1/2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 07:45Am I the only one loving this season?
LH is dominating like the days of RBR-Seb & Ferrari-MSc. He's got 6 wins in 8 races, & hasn't finished below 2nd place. You got to be kiddin me!
This could turn out to be an all-time great driver season. The record for most race wins in a season is 13 (Seb '13, MSC '04). LH needs 7 or 8 more wins for that record. While Belgium & Italy play better into Ferrari's strengths, the remaining 11 races are all for the taking. The only hurdle would be Ferrari turning their car around by summer break.
It only gets more exciting, as LH is on pace to reach 91 wins by next season!
If he's a fan of that, then there's nothing wrong with that. He's loving the season. It's you that he should feel sorry for, as you are clearly not enjoying the season then. In any sport, if your team is winning, it's great and a lot of fans want to crush the opposition. Hamilton is close to breaking Schumachers untouchable records and all spin1/2 was saying is we should embrace it.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:44I feel sorry for you if that’s what you’re excited for.spin1/2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 07:45Am I the only one loving this season?
LH is dominating like the days of RBR-Seb & Ferrari-MSc. He's got 6 wins in 8 races, & hasn't finished below 2nd place. You got to be kiddin me!
This could turn out to be an all-time great driver season. The record for most race wins in a season is 13 (Seb '13, MSC '04). LH needs 7 or 8 more wins for that record. While Belgium & Italy play better into Ferrari's strengths, the remaining 11 races are all for the taking. The only hurdle would be Ferrari turning their car around by summer break.
It only gets more exciting, as LH is on pace to reach 91 wins by next season!
Also considering that there was only 19/18 races a season would be better to work off percentages,NathanOlder wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:51If he's a fan of that, then there's nothing wrong with that. He's loving the season. It's you that he should feel sorry for, as you are clearly not enjoying the season then. In any sport, if your team is winning, it's great and a lot of fans want to crush the opposition. Hamilton is close to breaking Schumachers untouchable records and all spin1/2 was saying is we should embrace it.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:44I feel sorry for you if that’s what you’re excited for.spin1/2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 07:45Am I the only one loving this season?
LH is dominating like the days of RBR-Seb & Ferrari-MSc. He's got 6 wins in 8 races, & hasn't finished below 2nd place. You got to be kiddin me!
This could turn out to be an all-time great driver season. The record for most race wins in a season is 13 (Seb '13, MSC '04). LH needs 7 or 8 more wins for that record. While Belgium & Italy play better into Ferrari's strengths, the remaining 11 races are all for the taking. The only hurdle would be Ferrari turning their car around by summer break.
It only gets more exciting, as LH is on pace to reach 91 wins by next season!
Yep. He will leave an unfillable hole when he’s gone. Surely better to enjoy it now than look back when he’s gone?NathanOlder wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:51If he's a fan of that, then there's nothing wrong with that. He's loving the season. It's you that he should feel sorry for, as you are clearly not enjoying the season then. In any sport, if your team is winning, it's great and a lot of fans want to crush the opposition. Hamilton is close to breaking Schumachers untouchable records and all spin1/2 was saying is we should embrace it.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:44I feel sorry for you if that’s what you’re excited for.spin1/2 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 07:45Am I the only one loving this season?
LH is dominating like the days of RBR-Seb & Ferrari-MSc. He's got 6 wins in 8 races, & hasn't finished below 2nd place. You got to be kiddin me!
This could turn out to be an all-time great driver season. The record for most race wins in a season is 13 (Seb '13, MSC '04). LH needs 7 or 8 more wins for that record. While Belgium & Italy play better into Ferrari's strengths, the remaining 11 races are all for the taking. The only hurdle would be Ferrari turning their car around by summer break.
It only gets more exciting, as LH is on pace to reach 91 wins by next season!
Thats a fair point however when 1 driver’s amount of poles is only 1 behind the entire field and likely to be tied again (I expect him to grab pole again) in this GP then it screams class of the field.aran.vtec wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:54Also considering that there was only 19/18 races a season would be better to work off percentages,NathanOlder wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:51If he's a fan of that, then there's nothing wrong with that. He's loving the season. It's you that he should feel sorry for, as you are clearly not enjoying the season then. In any sport, if your team is winning, it's great and a lot of fans want to crush the opposition. Hamilton is close to breaking Schumachers untouchable records and all spin1/2 was saying is we should embrace it.
please don't get us wrong Lewis is one of of the all time greats but half of the Job was done but being in the right team at the right time.
Remove Hamilton, let only Bottas drive for Mercedes and it would be the Finn winning a (probably) record braking amount of races this season.Restomaniac wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:56Yep. He will leave an unfillable hole when he’s gone. Surely better to enjoy it now than look back when he’s gone?NathanOlder wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 08:51If he's a fan of that, then there's nothing wrong with that. He's loving the season. It's you that he should feel sorry for, as you are clearly not enjoying the season then. In any sport, if your team is winning, it's great and a lot of fans want to crush the opposition. Hamilton is close to breaking Schumachers untouchable records and all spin1/2 was saying is we should embrace it.
Yes he moans and complains and has a look that some find questionable but by god can he drive. He is currently in red hot form and I can’t see past another win for him in Austria (DNF’s aside).
What, like Schumacher?
How many drivers can claim they fought with 5 world champions (Senna, Hill, Villeneuve, Mika and Alonso) in a straight battle for a championship, year over year?