2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Artur Craft » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 pm

Hammerfist wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 am
Negative on Ferrari being on pole. I reckon they will be more than half a second behind in qualifying. If it is closer than that I will be impressed. They just don't generate as much downforce as the Merc and that is VERy important at Silverstone. I thought everybody knew this by now? Anyways,they are going to get killed, barring some trouble with Merc. I think the Redbull might be in front of them here too, well Max only that is.
Funny, I thought everybody knew by now that Ferrari have even a bit more downforce than Mercede but instead....

Go check Austria's s3, which only have 3 high speed corners and 2 small straights. Ferrari was slightly ahead of Mercedes and Red Bull there. Hell, even on Melbourne, it was clear from Juzh's videos that Ferrari were on par on the fast corners

But I do agree that Ferrari will be ~0.5s slower on UK. There are only 3 fast, non flatout, corners on silverstone. The rest is all comprised of slowish corners and that's where Mercedes will stretch their legs.

Mercedes will dominate, probably not as much as in Paul Ricard, but even Bottas might be safe for P2

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by FrukostScones » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:53 pm

a little rain dance...
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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by mkay » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:08 pm

Artur Craft wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 pm
Hammerfist wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 am
Negative on Ferrari being on pole. I reckon they will be more than half a second behind in qualifying. If it is closer than that I will be impressed. They just don't generate as much downforce as the Merc and that is VERy important at Silverstone. I thought everybody knew this by now? Anyways,they are going to get killed, barring some trouble with Merc. I think the Redbull might be in front of them here too, well Max only that is.
Funny, I thought everybody knew by now that Ferrari have even a bit more downforce than Mercede but instead....

Go check Austria's s3, which only have 3 high speed corners and 2 small straights. Ferrari was slightly ahead of Mercedes and Red Bull there. Hell, even on Melbourne, it was clear from Juzh's videos that Ferrari were on par on the fast corners

But I do agree that Ferrari will be ~0.5s slower on UK. There are only 3 fast, non flatout, corners on silverstone. The rest is all comprised of slowish corners and that's where Mercedes will stretch their legs.

Mercedes will dominate, probably not as much as in Paul Ricard, but even Bottas might be safe for P2
Mercedes ran compromised aero in Austria, so it can't be used as a comparison.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Morteza » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:30 pm



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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by drunkf1fan » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:13 pm

Artur Craft wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:45 pm
Hammerfist wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 am
Negative on Ferrari being on pole. I reckon they will be more than half a second behind in qualifying. If it is closer than that I will be impressed. They just don't generate as much downforce as the Merc and that is VERy important at Silverstone. I thought everybody knew this by now? Anyways,they are going to get killed, barring some trouble with Merc. I think the Redbull might be in front of them here too, well Max only that is.
Funny, I thought everybody knew by now that Ferrari have even a bit more downforce than Mercede but instead....

Go check Austria's s3, which only have 3 high speed corners and 2 small straights. Ferrari was slightly ahead of Mercedes and Red Bull there. Hell, even on Melbourne, it was clear from Juzh's videos that Ferrari were on par on the fast corners

But I do agree that Ferrari will be ~0.5s slower on UK. There are only 3 fast, non flatout, corners on silverstone. The rest is all comprised of slowish corners and that's where Mercedes will stretch their legs.

Mercedes will dominate, probably not as much as in Paul Ricard, but even Bottas might be safe for P2
Not just did they have compromised aero due to overheating as someone said, but it's no different to Red Bull for years having higher downforce but having to take more downforce off than other cars at the power tracks because of lacking engine power.

At a track with all straights and 90degree corners then Merc are going to drop downforce to try to lose less on straights. At tracks where it's less straights and more corners Merc is absolutely --- destroying Ferrari in the twisty sections of tracks and these are tracks where Ferrari has exactly zero need to take off downforce to gain speed on the straights, they instead put on all the downforce they can because they'll still have an advantage on the straights and want to minimise losses in corners.

Merc have a notable amount more in highest downforce than Ferrari. One track doesn't disprove this, merc dropping more downforce than Ferrari will is pretty much inevitable for, Austria, Monza, Spa, etc.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Big Tea » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:03 pm

FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:53 pm
a little rain dance...
Not needed, its Silverstone :mrgreen:
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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by zibby43 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:07 pm

drunkf1fan wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:13 pm
Not just did they have compromised aero due to overheating as someone said, but it's no different to Red Bull for years having higher downforce but having to take more downforce off than other cars at the power tracks because of lacking engine power.

At a track with all straights and 90degree corners then Merc are going to drop downforce to try to lose less on straights. At tracks where it's less straights and more corners Merc is absolutely --- destroying Ferrari in the twisty sections of tracks and these are tracks where Ferrari has exactly zero need to take off downforce to gain speed on the straights, they instead put on all the downforce they can because they'll still have an advantage on the straights and want to minimise losses in corners.

Merc have a notable amount more in highest downforce than Ferrari. One track doesn't disprove this, merc dropping more downforce than Ferrari will is pretty much inevitable for, Austria, Monza, Spa, etc.
To build upon what you set out, Merc is running a lower-downforce RW specification at Silverstone, compared to Ferrari.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by LM10 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:35 pm

I don't remember a race in which Ferrari has had a lower-downforce RW than Mercedes. It's not really a surprise.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by zibby43 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:00 pm

LM10 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:35 pm
I don't remember a race in which Ferrari has had a lower-downforce RW than Mercedes. It's not really a surprise.
Not at all. The emphasis was on the fact that it's Merc's lowest DF specification RW, aside from the one that was trialed but not raced in Baku.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:31 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:07 pm
drunkf1fan wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:13 pm
Not just did they have compromised aero due to overheating as someone said, but it's no different to Red Bull for years having higher downforce but having to take more downforce off than other cars at the power tracks because of lacking engine power.

At a track with all straights and 90degree corners then Merc are going to drop downforce to try to lose less on straights. At tracks where it's less straights and more corners Merc is absolutely --- destroying Ferrari in the twisty sections of tracks and these are tracks where Ferrari has exactly zero need to take off downforce to gain speed on the straights, they instead put on all the downforce they can because they'll still have an advantage on the straights and want to minimise losses in corners.

Merc have a notable amount more in highest downforce than Ferrari. One track doesn't disprove this, merc dropping more downforce than Ferrari will is pretty much inevitable for, Austria, Monza, Spa, etc.
To build upon what you set out, Merc is running a lower-downforce RW specification at Silverstone, compared to Ferrari.

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I don’t think it shows much confidence if Mercedes are including a mini toolkit in their setup :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Just_a_fan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:15 am

That toolkit probably costs as much as a small car! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Restomaniac » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:26 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:15 am
That toolkit probably costs as much as a small car! :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol:

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Vasconia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:45 am

FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:53 pm
a little rain dance...
It´s about time to see a proper wet race, tough sadly this weekend won´t be the case. I reckon Hamilton would smash the competence but the rest would be quite interesting.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by falonso81 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:49 am

Maybe we will get a chance for a proper wet race at Spa. It will be the ideal place to have a wet race to be honest.

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Re: 2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

Post by Sierra117 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:25 am

What the heck is going on lol.
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