2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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kvyat's engine most likely fine:
https://racer.com/2019/09/13/honda-want ... w-pu-spec/
“On Kvyat’s car we are investigating the cause of the oil leakage — at the end of the race when he cut the engine the engine data was showing normal, so that’s OK. So we could get data … So far I’d say not good but not too bad.”

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GhostF1 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:56 am
https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f2/2506 ... on-in-2020

Do we think all the noise about Tsunoda, especially the above, is an RBR enticement to keep Honda post 2020? Seems they are keen to throw Tsunoda into F2 earlier than Yuri Vips who has performed no worse, if not better than Tsunoda.
I suspect Honda will be paying for the F2 seat, not Red Bull. Just as Honda pays now for Matsushita.
That's the difference.

For whatever reason, Red Bull refuses to pay the cost of an F2 seat. :?:

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lets see his development i remember some hype about Fukuzumi
para bellum.

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https://f1-gate.com/honda/f1_51925.html

Yamamoto confirmed there will be another engine to be introduced by Japanese GP for all four cars.
Spec is not specified but the article speculates they will take another Spec 4 in Russia getting grid penalties, and use them in Japan.

In a different article, Tanabe said he wants to confirm Spec 4 performance in a track like Singapore. It makes sense if another engine is to be introduced.

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Guess Villenueve was right about the engine life. Max has a fresher engine than Renault and Merc cars and if he has to take a penalty in Sochi for a Suzuka special then its a shame. Cant understand how they cannot have them running till the end. Not like they are producing same power as Ferrari and Renault or even the Merc.

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Renault had a big jump in Spa and Monza. RB didn't
improve. The 25HP gain claim was an outright lie

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Nobody gives an ass you bunch of wankers thinks Rbr aims for victory in Singapore,Japan,us ,Mexico & Brazil what race will or podium will Renault win

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McMika98 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:08 am
Guess Villenueve was right about the engine life. Max has a fresher engine than Renault and Merc cars and if he has to take a penalty in Sochi for a Suzuka special then its a shame. Cant understand how they cannot have them running till the end. Not like they are producing same power as Ferrari and Renault or even the Merc.
In Sochi they will get a new engine because there will be a new Turbo availible witch will provide a huge upgrade.
I don't think thats a shame but that is just great.

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Artur Craft wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:32 am
Renault had a big jump in Spa and Monza. RB didn't
improve. The 25HP gain claim was an outright lie
Renault drove with very low downforce.
RBR did improve and the 25 HP gain wasn't a lie.

Max had to do a catch-up race and you than lose a lot of time.
In the open air he drove the same times as the front riders.
Kvyat also drove very good times until he dropped out.

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McMika98 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:08 am
Guess Villenueve was right about the engine life. Max has a fresher engine than Renault and Merc cars and if he has to take a penalty in Sochi for a Suzuka special then its a shame. Cant understand how they cannot have them running till the end. Not like they are producing same power as Ferrari and Renault or even the Merc.
Eh no. This year is clearly all about development and pushing on to meet those targets of "Equal to Mercedes"

The Spec 3 lasted 6 races. This talk of another engine upgrade suggests Redbull have nothing to lose, they are in no man's land in the championship but HONDA - They have so much to learn.

Villeneuve used words such as "Engine cant last more than 2 races before blowing up". Show me a Honda engine that didn't last more than 2 races or a Honda engine that blew up.

As you said "Not like they are producing the same power as Ferrari, Renault and Merc". Well to achieve that you must develop develop develop and it's clearly working.

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Spec 3 hasnt done 6 races yet. Spec 2 has with its use in spa (and hungary they say)

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Wouter wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:06 am
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:08 am
Guess Villenueve was right about the engine life. Max has a fresher engine than Renault and Merc cars and if he has to take a penalty in Sochi for a Suzuka special then its a shame. Cant understand how they cannot have them running till the end. Not like they are producing same power as Ferrari and Renault or even the Merc.
In Sochi they will get a new engine because there will be a new Turbo availible witch will provide a huge upgrade.
I don't think thats a shame but that is just great.
Source?
Best WDC-drivers in F1 history:
Schumacher, Senna, Fangio

Driving a dominant car in the most dominant team ever, helped by favorable rule changes, against subtop teammates does not make you the GOAT (but still superb). It just helps you inflate/skew your stats.

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flexcon wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:18 am

Villeneuve used words such as "Engine cant last more than 2 races before blowing up". Show me a Honda engine that didn't last more than 2 races or a Honda engine that blew up.
He said 5 races which has been proven correct so far. Spec 3.0 and 4.0 does not seem to last 5 races especially running near max power levels.

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It seems so yes. Then they got some work to do this winter for the start of next year cause the first spec must do the fridays too. Better to have the power and increase the durability than the other way around.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:37 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:06 am
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:08 am
Guess Villenueve was right about the engine life. Max has a fresher engine than Renault and Merc cars and if he has to take a penalty in Sochi for a Suzuka special then its a shame. Cant understand how they cannot have them running till the end. Not like they are producing same power as Ferrari and Renault or even the Merc.
In Sochi they will get a new engine because there will be a new Turbo availible witch will provide a huge upgrade.
I don't think thats a shame but that is just great.
Source?
The sources are @Wazari and Yamamoto.

* I think Honda is on course and will continue to chip away at the gap with one big chunk coming in the latter third of this season.
* There were 2 upgrades still planned for this year. One minor and one major. (spec 4 and spec 4.1/5)
* I do believe that the one major update planned for this season in a series of "smaller" previous updates will take place around Sochi.
* Something tells me that Spec 4.XX/5 (Spec 4 with revised turbo and intake plenum) should be ready
by Sochi along with a fuel upgrade
Yamamoto https://f1-gate.com/honda/f1_51925.html