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SiLo
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Big Tea wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 11:27
Bill wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 08:45
Racing point and Mclaren has these cape so what s so magical about it
I think their secret weapon here was the suspension. Other cars looked as if they were jilting over some curbs while the Ferrari sailed serenely on with all rubber on the ground.
Apparently RB and Merc screwed up their sim setups and then their car setups with suspension, they went too hard. It seemed really noticeable in qualifying.
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SiLo wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 11:48
Big Tea wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 11:27
Bill wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 08:45
Racing point and Mclaren has these cape so what s so magical about it
I think their secret weapon here was the suspension. Other cars looked as if they were jilting over some curbs while the Ferrari sailed serenely on with all rubber on the ground.
Apparently RB and Merc screwed up their sim setups and then their car setups with suspension, they went too hard. It seemed really noticeable in qualifying.
Yeah, and i belive that the setup they used was more for qualifying. Getting the track position and control the race, was the strategy. I really doubt that they solved the problems they had just with this upgrade.

aral
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Bill wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 08:45
Racing point and Mclaren has these cape so what s so magical about it
It is how it operates in conjunction with other aero devices, especially the outwash front wing.

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santos wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 13:28
SiLo wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 11:48
Big Tea wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 11:27


I think their secret weapon here was the suspension. Other cars looked as if they were jilting over some curbs while the Ferrari sailed serenely on with all rubber on the ground.
Apparently RB and Merc screwed up their sim setups and then their car setups with suspension, they went too hard. It seemed really noticeable in qualifying.
Yeah, and i belive that the setup they used was more for qualifying. Getting the track position and control the race, was the strategy. I really doubt that they solved the problems they had just with this upgrade.
It's not "just" an upgrade. In addition, it was a significant number of changes

In today's F1, by pure understanding of setting the car up, you can already gain a big amount of time. Remember Mercedes at Singapore last year. There were no upgrades on the car and their explanation of how they made a performance jump was that they simply had an aha-experience and knew how to setup the car to be competitive at such twisty tracks and in slow speed corners. The result was that Mercedes, pretty unexpectedly, was the fastest car there and until this day they're still on the top of slow speed corner performance.

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LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 16:00
In today's F1, by pure understanding of setting the car up, you can already gain a big amount of time. Remember Mercedes at Singapore last year. There were no upgrades on the car and their explanation of how they made a performance jump was that they simply had an aha-experience and knew how to setup the car to be competitive at such twisty tracks and in slow speed corners.
Or to the contrary, F1 teams are usually so occupied with updates and upgrades, they fail to set their car up optimally -- even though optimal suspension setups are critical in most other series? :wtf:

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LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 16:00
There were no upgrades on the car and their explanation of how they made a performance jump was that they simply had an aha-experience and knew how to setup the car to be competitive at such twisty tracks and in slow speed corners. The result was that Mercedes, pretty unexpectedly, was the fastest car there and until this day they're still on the top of slow speed corner performance.
Mercedes introduced their new brake drums and special wheels last year in Singapore (the wheels that Ferrari later protested, but were deemed legal). It helped them manage tire temperatures, which is the key to turning a fast lap in Singapore.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/revea ... e/3179717/

LM10
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zibby43 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:11
LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 16:00
There were no upgrades on the car and their explanation of how they made a performance jump was that they simply had an aha-experience and knew how to setup the car to be competitive at such twisty tracks and in slow speed corners. The result was that Mercedes, pretty unexpectedly, was the fastest car there and until this day they're still on the top of slow speed corner performance.
Mercedes introduced their new brake drums and special wheels last year in Singapore (the wheels that Ferrari later protested, but were deemed legal). It helped them manage tire temperatures, which is the key to turning a fast lap in Singapore.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/revea ... e/3179717/
The rims were already introduced in Belgium. Don't know about the brake drums, though.

You are right about the tire temperatures, but I don't think that their step forward regarding slow-medium speed corners were solely oming from these rims. It made them be significantly faster on race pace. Their tire management during race got better in a massive way.

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LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:20
zibby43 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:11
LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 16:00
There were no upgrades on the car and their explanation of how they made a performance jump was that they simply had an aha-experience and knew how to setup the car to be competitive at such twisty tracks and in slow speed corners. The result was that Mercedes, pretty unexpectedly, was the fastest car there and until this day they're still on the top of slow speed corner performance.
Mercedes introduced their new brake drums and special wheels last year in Singapore (the wheels that Ferrari later protested, but were deemed legal). It helped them manage tire temperatures, which is the key to turning a fast lap in Singapore.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/revea ... e/3179717/
The rims were already introduced in Belgium. Don't know about the brake drums, though.

You are right about the tire temperatures, but I don't think that their step forward regarding slow-medium speed corners were solely oming from these rims. It made them be significantly faster on race pace. Their tire management during race got better in a massive way.
In singapore 2018 Mercs introduced a new rear suspension system (multilink like) that was the base for the rear end of the 2019 too, i think.

For Ferrari 2019 Singapore upgrades: will they use em on every next gp or not? In singapore the sf90 was draggy infact Vettel didnt overtake Hamilton at lap 1..

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Polite wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:48
LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:20
zibby43 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:11


Mercedes introduced their new brake drums and special wheels last year in Singapore (the wheels that Ferrari later protested, but were deemed legal). It helped them manage tire temperatures, which is the key to turning a fast lap in Singapore.

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/revea ... e/3179717/
The rims were already introduced in Belgium. Don't know about the brake drums, though.

You are right about the tire temperatures, but I don't think that their step forward regarding slow-medium speed corners were solely oming from these rims. It made them be significantly faster on race pace. Their tire management during race got better in a massive way.
In singapore 2018 Mercs introduced a new rear suspension system (multilink like) that was the base for the rear end of the 2019 too, i think.

For Ferrari 2019 Singapore upgrades: will they use em on every next gp or not? In singapore the sf90 was draggy infact Vettel didnt overtake Hamilton at lap 1..
I'm pretty sure that the upgrades will be used at all other GP's as well since they worked.

Ferrari was again the fastest car on the straights in Singapore, if you check the maximum speeds. Overtaking a Mercedes on euqally fresh tyres and highest engine mode on the short straights in lap 1 in Singapore isn't one of the easiest things in the world.

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LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 23:49
Polite wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:48
LM10 wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 20:20


The rims were already introduced in Belgium. Don't know about the brake drums, though.

You are right about the tire temperatures, but I don't think that their step forward regarding slow-medium speed corners were solely oming from these rims. It made them be significantly faster on race pace. Their tire management during race got better in a massive way.
In singapore 2018 Mercs introduced a new rear suspension system (multilink like) that was the base for the rear end of the 2019 too, i think.

For Ferrari 2019 Singapore upgrades: will they use em on every next gp or not? In singapore the sf90 was draggy infact Vettel didnt overtake Hamilton at lap 1..
I'm pretty sure that the upgrades will be used at all other GP's as well since they worked.

Ferrari was again the fastest car on the straights in Singapore, if you check the maximum speeds. Overtaking a Mercedes on euqally fresh tyres and highest engine mode on the short straights in lap 1 in Singapore isn't one of the easiest things in the world.
U are right and i think that too. But even if is not so simple to overtake in the first drs strait, i was sure that Vettel could have overtake Ham: maybe the fact that strait comes after a fast/mid corner impacted on the acceleration advantage of Ferrari out of corners.. or maybe this upgrade is draggy!..
I still think is the second option true.. and i think Ferrari will be in troubles in those Gps were they cant take the first row in qualy.

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Baku Spec Diffuser, different leading edge though.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
26 Sep 2019, 15:46
Baku Spec Diffuser, different leading edge though.
What changed in Baku?
This is same one as in Singapore.

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