General Honda F1 Topic

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by ispano6 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:41 pm

Spec 4 wasn't run optimally or tested satisfactorily and needs another race in Singapore to make determination of performance and drivability improvements. Accumulated data so far looks good, but the proof will be in the Singapore results.

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Post by Wouter » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:36 am

About Singapore GP.

Arguably the most physical track we visit on the Formula 1 calendar, the tight, humid Marina Bay circuit also provides an incredibly technical challenge for the cars too. With more gear shifts that any other circuit, drivability from the power unit is a key factor. Utilising every second of free practice sessions will be vital - as with all tricky street circuits – in order to be as well prepared as possible for Sunday. Singapore holds a special place in our history, as it is where we first announced our new partnership with Scuderia Toro Rosso, back in 2017. This year, we arrive stood aside 4 bulls, ready to push for a good result around a track that has previously been difficult for us.

The European season ended with two of the fastest tracks we race on at Spa and Monza. The next round, in Singapore is a complete contrast, as Marina Bay is a street circuit, featuring lower speeds and technical circuit features. The many corners, especially low speed ones, mean that one of the most important areas of PU performance that we focus on at this track is driveability, so that the car punches out of the slow corners to get to top speed down the straights as soon as possible. Because this is a street circuit, overtaking is of course quite difficult and so another priority for us this weekend will be qualifying performance to ensure our drivers get the best possible grid position. Both our teams have gone well in Singapore in the past. From the Honda side, as usual we aim to be as well prepared as possible for this demanding night time race.

https://en.hondaracingf1.com/races/2019 ... -prix.html


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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:08 pm

RACE RESULTS SINGAPORE

1 SEBASTIAN VETTEL FERRARI 1:58:33.667
2 CHARLES LECLERC FERRARI +2.641s
--> 3 MAX VERSTAPPEN ASTON MARTIN RED BULL RACING +3.821s
4 LEWIS HAMILTON MERCEDES +4.608s
5 VALTTERI BOTTAS MERCEDES +6.119s
--> 6 ALEX ALBON ASTON MARTIN RED BULL RACING +11.663s
--> 8 PIERRE GASLY RED BULL TORO ROSSO HONDA +15.547s
--> 15 DANIIL KVYAT RED BULL TORO ROSSO HONDA +38.178s

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by loner » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Horner believes Ferrari is running 'some pretty juicy fuels'
"It’s probably a combination. These things are never usually a silver bullet, it’s probably a combination of factors," Horner told Channel 4.
"Hats off to the Ferrari guys, they’ve found a way of extracting that horsepower and it’s up to the rest of the competition to narrow that gap."
https://f1i.com/news/355761-horner-beli ... fuels.html
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Horner is a wihner they came to Monaco and Singapore expecting victories but came empty handed.this just deflection to this day all their victories come from those engine tracks .they changed the pu in wrong tracks because they live under the delusion their master chassis builders who make subpar pu look good

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by nzjrs » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:28 pm

Bill wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:23 pm
Horner is a wihner they came to Monaco and Singapore expecting victories but came empty handed.this just deflection to this day all their victories come from those engine tracks .they changed the pu in wrong tracks because they live under the delusion their master chassis builders who make subpar pu look good
=D> =D> This is the worst post I have read in days.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:58 pm

Who gave an ass what you think,even Max thinks Singapore race was wake up call Redbull perception of themselves does not correspond to reality.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by McMika98 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:09 pm

Some folks here just cant accept any positive criticism of team or Honda. Team expected an easy win but then were the third quickest team on a track with least power requirement. Hoping they now get their act together and get some decent result for the remainder of season else 2020 isnt looking promising.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by nzjrs » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:07 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:09 pm
Some folks here just cant accept any positive criticism of team or Honda. Team expected an easy win but then were the third quickest team on a track with least power requirement. Hoping they now get their act together and get some decent result for the remainder of season else 2020 isnt looking promising.
(off topic) I've repeated explained my position on this to you. I couldn't care less who people criticize. Criticism of Honda/Renault/Ginger Spice/Whoever, it's like yelling at your television. It's inane, no one is listening. The enjoyment in this forum is reasoned discussion, intelligent observations, and coherent reasoning. Some folks here can't manage that.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Alexf1 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:36 pm

Reading back the interview with a Honda boss (think it was Tanabe) about spec4 introduction I noticed he said that one of the advantages of spec3 over spec2 was that it was better on higher altitude tracks. Maybe thats why they havent run spec3 for 6 races yet and introduced the spec4 without the turbo upgrade yet because they need them for Mexico and Brazil. 1 race each or 2x spec4 and have spec3 as a decent spare engine for these 2 important races.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by GhostF1 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:32 am

McMika98 wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:09 pm
Some folks here just cant accept any positive criticism of team or Honda. Team expected an easy win but then were the third quickest team on a track with least power requirement. Hoping they now get their act together and get some decent result for the remainder of season else 2020 isnt looking promising.
Have to say, I'm in complete agreeance with NZJRS here. Constructive criticism with thoughts, and good observation that promotes discussion is something you have never brought to this forum. Regardless of the result, I always expect some spectacular rubbish to the the tune of "Honda need to get their act together, Spec X hasn't delivered"....

That sentence is entirely devoid of all fact, observation, real world data, relevant comparisons and logic and is something I expect from you on a regular basis, unless the other 50% of you comes out of its shell and decides to say the exact opposite of what you said a previous day... It's a good party trick haha

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:11 pm

Tanab-san about Sochi.

TOYOHARU TANABE
TECHNICAL DIRECTOR, HONDA RACING F1

After the very high speeds in Monza, followed by the special requirements of a street circuit in Singapore, we come to a more conventional type of track in Sochi. Its main characteristics are a lot of 90 degree turns where, just like in Singapore, good driveability from the PU side will be an important factor. The straights are also quite long here and energy management will not be issue as we have plenty of data from the past. Despite experiencing some difficulties in Singapore, we still came away with a podium finish and now we have just a couple of days to prepare as well as possible, aiming for another positive result in Russia.
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/races/2019 ... ?tab=setup

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 pm

Through a Skype conversation in the tv programme Peptalk on Ziggo Sport father Jos looks back on the performance of his son in Russia, and he looks ahead to the remaining races of the season.

It should not take too long before he is going to deliver what we are all hoping for and he can challenge for the world title. “No, that is what we think too”, says the father of Aston Martin Red Bull Racing driver who today celebrated his twenty-second birthday: “We should have been closer, but that is more difficult than we thought. It is very frustrating. In the last races before the summer break it went really well, but after the summer break we did not progress while the other teams did. Max cannot change that, we depend on the team, the car is a bit behind, the engine is a bit behind, more work has to be done on this combination if we want to challenge for the world title next year.”

Verstappen senior continues: “We are very concerned if there will be any improvement in the short term, we will talk to the team to see what can be done. We depend on the equipment we get and at the moment it is not good enough.”

Asked if it is discouraging now and then, Jos answers: “Seeing Max’ performance, put him in a good car and he will challenge for the world championship. We are now working with Red Bull for a couple of years, but it still does not look that we will be able to challenge for the world title next year. Looking at the last couple of races it seems that we will be half a second short in Japan. Of course we will try everything to close the gap, but half a second you cannot catch up in two weeks’ time. The expectation was to close the gap to the competition, but at the moment it does not look like it. We have to work hard to close the gap, otherwise next year will be lost too.:(

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by etusch » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:15 pm

Wouter wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 pm
you cannot catch up in two weeks’ time
If there is a development work on progress and if it is ready before a race, if it works, you can be faster in a week too. It is not a work just starting after a race and finishing before next one. I don't know how he is talking in this way. He says you can not reach rivals level in 2 weeks but also he says we look like we can not catch rivals next season too. So when ? 2 weeks not enough, 3 months and months before those 3 months when Redbull started 2020 project also not enough, so how long time enough?
Is it matter of time or doing right things ?

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by loner » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:16 pm

Wouter wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 pm
Through a Skype conversation in the tv programme Peptalk on Ziggo Sport father Jos looks back on the performance of his son in Russia, and he looks ahead to the remaining races of the season.

It should not take too long before he is going to deliver what we are all hoping for and he can challenge for the world title. “No, that is what we think too”, says the father of Aston Martin Red Bull Racing driver who today celebrated his twenty-second birthday: “We should have been closer, but that is more difficult than we thought. It is very frustrating. In the last races before the summer break it went really well, but after the summer break we did not progress while the other teams did. Max cannot change that, we depend on the team, the car is a bit behind, the engine is a bit behind, more work has to be done on this combination if we want to challenge for the world title next year.”

Verstappen senior continues: “We are very concerned if there will be any improvement in the short term, we will talk to the team to see what can be done. We depend on the equipment we get and at the moment it is not good enough.”

Asked if it is discouraging now and then, Jos answers: “Seeing Max’ performance, put him in a good car and he will challenge for the world championship. We are now working with Red Bull for a couple of years, but it still does not look that we will be able to challenge for the world title next year. Looking at the last couple of races it seems that we will be half a second short in Japan. Of course we will try everything to close the gap, but half a second you cannot catch up in two weeks’ time. The expectation was to close the gap to the competition, but at the moment it does not look like it. We have to work hard to close the gap, otherwise next year will be lost too.:(
as things stands not even the Mercs will challenge Ferrari next year , Jos is right its frustrating however from what i collect of infos Ferrari explored the grey area in the regulations and can have about 50 hp more in certain moments during qualifying and race its kinda outsmarting the rivals, how long it will continue like that and how long it will take the other 3 manufacturers to discover this secret is yet to be seen, if it wasn't for the SC Mercs wouldn't win in Sochi.
perhaps Jos need to be very careful before taking any big decisions concerning of his son.
para bellum.