Unbelievable, how You got so much wrong. Kubica has been given scrap from get go - for first 5 or 6 races he was driving a broken chassis - which btw got broken by Rus on the preseason testing. He had a minor incidents, true, some of them his mistakes some actually Williams fault, like when his mirrors flew away, or bits of front wing fell off on its own and punctured the tire...ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
KUB has absolutely crashed more than RUS, this is not in question and has nothing to do with DNF. Crashes happen in practice, but they still destroy parts.
to me it seems like the brake locks in place (left side) or the right side failed to do anything which made him keep his foot on the brake to try and slow it down. either way or both he wasn't going to make a left turn with no left grip and potentally only one brake working. if it was just dirver error he would have let off the pedal and regained grip after missing the corner. unless he had a bit of a brain fart but radio seems to suggest something went wrong unless he is very good at making excusesnetoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 20:32Unbelievable, how You got so much wrong. Kubica has been given scrap from get go - for first 5 or 6 races he was driving a broken chassis - which btw got broken by Rus on the preseason testing. He had a minor incidents, true, some of them his mistakes some actually Williams fault, like when his mirrors flew away, or bits of front wing fell off on its own and punctured the tire...ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
KUB has absolutely crashed more than RUS, this is not in question and has nothing to do with DNF. Crashes happen in practice, but they still destroy parts.
Fact is, Williams sadly only had resources for one car and they put a bet on Russel, leaving Robert with what was left. Claire herself admited recently just that. Going by this routine, they called Robert in to salvage what was usable from his car and put it into George's car and Robert will be given what they'll manage to come by with for next race weekend. It really is pretty obvious. They could pretend it was a safety concern, but didn't even bother to lie, as they don't give a s..t anymore if they convince more people like You with their "equal treatment" farce.
One more thing, If You look up closely at George's onboard, You'll notice there was no evident hardware failure (bigger than this years Williams car, of course). Steering looks like it's working, brakes are working (You could make such assumption, with the amount of smoke from locked front left tire) He simply made a mistake on a cold tire. Happened to every driver at some point, I guess. Why bother to lie on this one?
A video footage, for Your convienience:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1178335721171632129
The highlights program, broadcast about 6 hrs after the race said his disk disintegrated. I have no knowledge, just repeating what was said on TVmarmer wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 23:08to me it seems like the brake locks in place (left side) or the right side failed to do anything which made him keep his foot on the brake to try and slow it down. either way or both he wasn't going to make a left turn with no left grip and potentally only one brake working. if it was just dirver error he would have let off the pedal and regained grip after missing the corner. unless he had a bit of a brain fart but radio seems to suggest something went wrong unless he is very good at making excusesnetoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 20:32Unbelievable, how You got so much wrong. Kubica has been given scrap from get go - for first 5 or 6 races he was driving a broken chassis - which btw got broken by Rus on the preseason testing. He had a minor incidents, true, some of them his mistakes some actually Williams fault, like when his mirrors flew away, or bits of front wing fell off on its own and punctured the tire...ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
KUB has absolutely crashed more than RUS, this is not in question and has nothing to do with DNF. Crashes happen in practice, but they still destroy parts.
Fact is, Williams sadly only had resources for one car and they put a bet on Russel, leaving Robert with what was left. Claire herself admited recently just that. Going by this routine, they called Robert in to salvage what was usable from his car and put it into George's car and Robert will be given what they'll manage to come by with for next race weekend. It really is pretty obvious. They could pretend it was a safety concern, but didn't even bother to lie, as they don't give a s..t anymore if they convince more people like You with their "equal treatment" farce.
One more thing, If You look up closely at George's onboard, You'll notice there was no evident hardware failure (bigger than this years Williams car, of course). Steering looks like it's working, brakes are working (You could make such assumption, with the amount of smoke from locked front left tire) He simply made a mistake on a cold tire. Happened to every driver at some point, I guess. Why bother to lie on this one?
A video footage, for Your convienience:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1178335721171632129
Footage from different angle might support Your version, that he had uneven break balance or left side locked in place. Notice though, that George has been switching switches and pressing buttons right at the break zone, maybe the breaks got crazy being tuned while used or George put them terribly off balance by mistake? Unfortunately I couldn't find a video from behind or with telemetry, to see what was the input on break pedal.marmer wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 23:08to me it seems like the brake locks in place (left side) or the right side failed to do anything which made him keep his foot on the brake to try and slow it down. either way or both he wasn't going to make a left turn with no left grip and potentally only one brake working. if it was just dirver error he would have let off the pedal and regained grip after missing the corner. unless he had a bit of a brain fart but radio seems to suggest something went wrong unless he is very good at making excusesnetoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 20:32Unbelievable, how You got so much wrong. Kubica has been given scrap from get go - for first 5 or 6 races he was driving a broken chassis - which btw got broken by Rus on the preseason testing. He had a minor incidents, true, some of them his mistakes some actually Williams fault, like when his mirrors flew away, or bits of front wing fell off on its own and punctured the tire...ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
KUB has absolutely crashed more than RUS, this is not in question and has nothing to do with DNF. Crashes happen in practice, but they still destroy parts.
Fact is, Williams sadly only had resources for one car and they put a bet on Russel, leaving Robert with what was left. Claire herself admited recently just that. Going by this routine, they called Robert in to salvage what was usable from his car and put it into George's car and Robert will be given what they'll manage to come by with for next race weekend. It really is pretty obvious. They could pretend it was a safety concern, but didn't even bother to lie, as they don't give a s..t anymore if they convince more people like You with their "equal treatment" farce.
One more thing, If You look up closely at George's onboard, You'll notice there was no evident hardware failure (bigger than this years Williams car, of course). Steering looks like it's working, brakes are working (You could make such assumption, with the amount of smoke from locked front left tire) He simply made a mistake on a cold tire. Happened to every driver at some point, I guess. Why bother to lie on this one?
A video footage, for Your convienience:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1178335721171632129
As I said, I am only repeating what I hear, and it was literally 'his brake disk has disintegrated' Thinking on it, it may have been McNish (or may have not been sorry)netoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 23:35Footage from different angle might support Your version, that he had uneven break balance or left side locked in place. Notice though, that George has been switching switches and pressing buttons right at the break zone, maybe the breaks got crazy being tuned while used or George put them terribly off balance by mistake? Unfortunately I couldn't find a video from behind or with telemetry, to see what was the input on break pedal.marmer wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 23:08to me it seems like the brake locks in place (left side) or the right side failed to do anything which made him keep his foot on the brake to try and slow it down. either way or both he wasn't going to make a left turn with no left grip and potentally only one brake working. if it was just dirver error he would have let off the pedal and regained grip after missing the corner. unless he had a bit of a brain fart but radio seems to suggest something went wrong unless he is very good at making excusesnetoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 20:32
Unbelievable, how You got so much wrong. Kubica has been given scrap from get go - for first 5 or 6 races he was driving a broken chassis - which btw got broken by Rus on the preseason testing. He had a minor incidents, true, some of them his mistakes some actually Williams fault, like when his mirrors flew away, or bits of front wing fell off on its own and punctured the tire...
Fact is, Williams sadly only had resources for one car and they put a bet on Russel, leaving Robert with what was left. Claire herself admited recently just that. Going by this routine, they called Robert in to salvage what was usable from his car and put it into George's car and Robert will be given what they'll manage to come by with for next race weekend. It really is pretty obvious. They could pretend it was a safety concern, but didn't even bother to lie, as they don't give a s..t anymore if they convince more people like You with their "equal treatment" farce.
One more thing, If You look up closely at George's onboard, You'll notice there was no evident hardware failure (bigger than this years Williams car, of course). Steering looks like it's working, brakes are working (You could make such assumption, with the amount of smoke from locked front left tire) He simply made a mistake on a cold tire. Happened to every driver at some point, I guess. Why bother to lie on this one?
A video footage, for Your convienience:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1178335721171632129
Edit: @Big Tea which one? left or right?
indeed, what's so hard to understand the team's OWN WORDS that they retired his car to save partsENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
Save parts from a possible crash due to malfunctioning brakes, it's not hard at all, it makes perfect sense. Both cars are the same, if one malfunctions with a brake failure that causes a crash, then the chances of the other one doing the same are higher than they are willing to risk. The team did not want to risk having both cars in the wall due to the same malfunction.Manoah2u wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 03:09indeed, what's so hard to understand the team's OWN WORDS that they retired his car to save partsENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
what's so hard to understand on the mountain of evidence presented to you in several posts
That video explicitly shows right front brake failure. The left front is locked up while the right front rotates freely.
I know you are fan of conspiracy theories, but before you write your assumptions you should also check some facts!netoperek wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 20:32One more thing, If You look up closely at George's onboard, You'll notice there was no evident hardware failure (bigger than this years Williams car, of course). Steering looks like it's working, brakes are working (You could make such assumption, with the amount of smoke from locked front left tire) He simply made a mistake on a cold tire. Happened to every driver at some point, I guess. Why bother to lie on this one?
Good lord you're so extremely stubborn.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 04:31Save parts from a possible crash due to malfunctioning brakes, it's not hard at all, it makes perfect sense. Both cars are the same, if one malfunctions with a brake failure that causes a crash, then the chances of the other one doing the same are higher than they are willing to risk. The team did not want to risk having both cars in the wall due to the same malfunction.Manoah2u wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 03:09indeed, what's so hard to understand the team's OWN WORDS that they retired his car to save partsENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 18:39
They didn't want KUB'S brakes to fail and put him, his car and it's parts to break, what is so hard to understand?
what's so hard to understand on the mountain of evidence presented to you in several posts
What is so hard for you to understand?
https://formulaspy.com/f1/williams-reti ... arts-64907We opted to retire Robert in order to conserve parts ahead of the intense flyaway races which end the season," revealed Willliams senior race engineer Dave Robson
nothing to do with supposed brake failure, which YOU claim you know, but the team itselfs claims OTHERWISE.
A statement from the team later said that they were investigating the cause of Russell’s retirement from the race, while Kubica was retired out of a desire to conserve parts ‘as we were not in contention for a points finish’.
https://www.planetf1.com/f1-races/russi ... etirement/“An issue shortly after the restart caused George to lock a front wheel, damaging the car further
if you actually look into this videoThe Williams driver was enjoying a solid race when he crashed under the Virtual Safety Car with a mechanical fault, bringing out a full Safety Car and ending his race.
“To be honest we don’t really know what the issue was,” Russell said to reporters in the paddock.
“I just went into the corner and the whole car just bottomed out, so I couldn’t turn and just went straight on into the wall.
“We don’t know if something went under the car or if it was the front wing or if something broke, but yeah we’ll look into it.”
Cruel as it sounds, the car probably had more TV coverage than it would had it plodded on to the end.