May be the collaboration with Hitachi for some electrical parts??Snorked wrote: ↑08 Oct 2019, 13:12Yamamoto did say they were using talent from their jet and HRC divisions, so what could the bike guys be helping with if not combustion?
Asaki in his French GP interview said there was one more partnership, and details would be coming at the right time, maybe the Japan GP is that time.
If like past years, we should be getting photos of the 2019 engine naked on display in the next few days
Lol, I hope that is not the case, as per Lorenzo their Moto GP bike is very tough to ride.rogazilla wrote: ↑08 Oct 2019, 14:22Something important to a motorcycle is engine characteristic. You want the power output to be predictable and easy on the rider to modulate. Granted those motogp riders are insanely skillful but throttle control is a very important part. Just my opinion because that could be something else they could contribute other than combustion tech.
I haven't really followed MotoGP for the last 4 years and I don't know what they do with traction control now but one thing with motorcycle, there is a huge emphasis on how the drive train reacts to keep as much contact patch on the tarmac. I remember even on the road bike, Honda was working really hard to reduce the chassis rocking or chain jerking during transmission shift to make sure the bike is as stable during shifting or engine braking.
aren't the HRC MotoGP engines of the "Big Bang" variety? Wasn't there a rumor a couple years ago of the Honda F1 engines playing around with Big Bang concepts? Just asking.rogazilla wrote: ↑08 Oct 2019, 14:22Something important to a motorcycle is engine characteristic. You want the power output to be predictable and easy on the rider to modulate. Granted those motogp riders are insanely skillful but throttle control is a very important part. Just my opinion because that could be something else they could contribute other than combustion tech.
I haven't really followed MotoGP for the last 4 years and I don't know what they do with traction control now but one thing with motorcycle, there is a huge emphasis on how the drive train reacts to keep as much contact patch on the tarmac. I remember even on the road bike, Honda was working really hard to reduce the chassis rocking or chain jerking during transmission shift to make sure the bike is as stable during shifting or engine braking.
I haven't really kept up with what they are doing in MotoGP for a while. The idea of Big Bang and my personal experience riding a friend's R1 years ago. It seems to reduce the vibration frequency down the chain driven rear wheel. I don't know if that's of any value for the gearbox in F1 and obviously not chain driven rear wheel.Bullwinkle wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 15:37aren't the HRC MotoGP engines of the "Big Bang" variety? Wasn't there a rumor a couple years ago of the Honda F1 engines playing around with Big Bang concepts? Just asking.
bigbang firing order engine in motogp is usefull cause it simulates a 2 cylinders engine. This is usefull to not stress too much the rear tyre in acceleration, while losing not too much on the max power then a screamer 4 cylinders engine.rogazilla wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 16:44I haven't really kept up with what they are doing in MotoGP for a while. The idea of Big Bang and my personal experience riding a friend's R1 years ago. It seems to reduce the vibration frequency down the chain driven rear wheel. I don't know if that's of any value for the gearbox in F1 and obviously not chain driven rear wheel.Bullwinkle wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 15:37aren't the HRC MotoGP engines of the "Big Bang" variety? Wasn't there a rumor a couple years ago of the Honda F1 engines playing around with Big Bang concepts? Just asking.
There is no danger of falling off an F1 car...Bullwinkle wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 15:37aren't the HRC MotoGP engines of the "Big Bang" variety? Wasn't there a rumor a couple years ago of the Honda F1 engines playing around with Big Bang concepts? Just asking.rogazilla wrote: ↑08 Oct 2019, 14:22Something important to a motorcycle is engine characteristic. You want the power output to be predictable and easy on the rider to modulate. Granted those motogp riders are insanely skillful but throttle control is a very important part. Just my opinion because that could be something else they could contribute other than combustion tech.
I haven't really followed MotoGP for the last 4 years and I don't know what they do with traction control now but one thing with motorcycle, there is a huge emphasis on how the drive train reacts to keep as much contact patch on the tarmac. I remember even on the road bike, Honda was working really hard to reduce the chassis rocking or chain jerking during transmission shift to make sure the bike is as stable during shifting or engine braking.
Should higher peaks from the big band stress the tyre more though? Sounds counter intuitive when you say it stresses it less.Polite wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:22bigbang firing order engine in motogp is usefull cause it simulates a 2 cylinders engine. This is usefull to not stress too much the rear tyre in acceleration, while losing not too much on the max power then a screamer 4 cylinders engine.rogazilla wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 16:44I haven't really kept up with what they are doing in MotoGP for a while. The idea of Big Bang and my personal experience riding a friend's R1 years ago. It seems to reduce the vibration frequency down the chain driven rear wheel. I don't know if that's of any value for the gearbox in F1 and obviously not chain driven rear wheel.Bullwinkle wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 15:37aren't the HRC MotoGP engines of the "Big Bang" variety? Wasn't there a rumor a couple years ago of the Honda F1 engines playing around with Big Bang concepts? Just asking.
big bang - my eye !PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 18:02Should higher peaks from the big band stress the tyre more though? Sounds counter intuitive when you say it stresses it less.Polite wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:22bigbang firing order engine in motogp is usefull cause it simulates a 2 cylinders engine. This is usefull to not stress too much the rear tyre in acceleration, while losing not too much on the max power then a screamer 4 cylinders engine. :wink:rogazilla wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 16:44I haven't really kept up with what they are doing in MotoGP for a while. The idea of Big Bang and my personal experience riding a friend's R1 years ago. It seems to reduce the vibration frequency down the chain driven rear wheel. I don't know if that's of any value for the gearbox in F1 and obviously not chain driven rear wheel.
I was hoping NASA JPL/Caltech.Marti_EF3 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2019, 19:31May be the collaboration with Hitachi for some electrical parts??Snorked wrote: ↑08 Oct 2019, 13:12Yamamoto did say they were using talent from their jet and HRC divisions, so what could the bike guys be helping with if not combustion?
Asaki in his French GP interview said there was one more partnership, and details would be coming at the right time, maybe the Japan GP is that time.
If like past years, we should be getting photos of the 2019 engine naked on display in the next few days
really counter intuitive but its truePlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 18:02Should higher peaks from the big band stress the tyre more though? Sounds counter intuitive when you say it stresses it less.Polite wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:22bigbang firing order engine in motogp is usefull cause it simulates a 2 cylinders engine. This is usefull to not stress too much the rear tyre in acceleration, while losing not too much on the max power then a screamer 4 cylinders engine.rogazilla wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 16:44
I haven't really kept up with what they are doing in MotoGP for a while. The idea of Big Bang and my personal experience riding a friend's R1 years ago. It seems to reduce the vibration frequency down the chain driven rear wheel. I don't know if that's of any value for the gearbox in F1 and obviously not chain driven rear wheel.