2018-2020 Tyre Thread

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If already shared sory for that. This really looks better I think


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The 2021 Tires have their own Thread.
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Pirelli working on expanded operating window for 2020 tyres. =D>
Pirelli wrote: What we are doing for next season is to redesign the construction in order to modify the footprint, and this is mainly to reduce overheating, and to design new compounds with new ingredients we are exploring new directions in order to have a wider working range.

We have been working with some indoor tests to understand how to identify and measure the working range properly because the working range is affected by a lot of different elements.

If you measure the working range of the same tyres and same compound on track, on two different cars, or two different tracks with different asphalt, it is different because it is affected by a lot of different parameters.

So to identify the working range, we need an indoor test that is repeatable. And this is giving us the opportunity to compare compounds and to understand if we are going in the right direction to have a wider working range or not.

That is not easy. It is easy to explain now, but for our colleagues to do that is not easy.

You are trying to discover confidential information that I cannot really say. It is quite an important achievement and it was a hard job for the people there. We would like to protect it and not give our competitors the information. But it is something that is a new system, a new process. It was a way of finding a new methodology.
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirel ... e/4543552/

Sounds great!

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JordanMugen wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:31 am
Pirelli working on expanded operating window for 2020 tyres. =D>

Sounds great!
https://www.racefans.net/2016/07/15/f1- ... 7-pirelli/


Pirelli have been making these false promises and claims for years. Don't believe the hype. The have been promising wider working ranges since at least 2014.

The 2019 tires are the best they have provided since reentering F1, but don't hold your breath for them to be much better in 2020, it could bring back the blistering and chunking (and thus extreme tire conservation) of 2018.

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2020 tyres flex more...

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Anyone could explain in details how they model tyre degradation into lap time deficit, and how they adjust it taking datas from other cars in live ?
I would assume it's much more sophisticated than just a linear function ...
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Well this isn't a bad thing. I'm guessing the same compounds will be used in 2020 as well.

It means we will have a very good comparison between 2019 vs 2020 cars and how much they improved over the winter.
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Pirelli's response to this is that the 2020 compounds were designed to be able to handle the increased performance expected from the 2020 cars. 2019 compounds now have to be able to handle quicker cars next season.
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Morteza wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:19 pm
Pirelli's response to this is that the 2020 compounds were designed to be able to handle the increased performance expected from the 2020 cars. 2019 compounds now have to be able to handle quicker cars next season.
So are they going one step harder or what? Cornering speeds and race pace won't change too drastically, what will change if teams put more downforce on the cars, is that the tires will slide less and managing them will be easier.
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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:24 pm
Morteza wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:19 pm
Pirelli's response to this is that the 2020 compounds were designed to be able to handle the increased performance expected from the 2020 cars. 2019 compounds now have to be able to handle quicker cars next season.
So are they going one step harder or what? Cornering speeds and race pace won't change too drastically, what will change if teams put more downforce on the cars, is that the tires will slide less and managing them will be easier.
pressures :(

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If the tyres stay the same and downforce goes up the hysteresis energy input to the carcass on high speed straights will go up and it is possible that Pirelli will require higher tyre pressures. Higher tyre pressures will make it harder to get heat into the tyres and those teams with lower downforce will be hit once more.

Edit: I see that @izzy got there before me.
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Morteza wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:19 pm
Pirelli's response to this is that the 2020 compounds were designed to be able to handle the increased performance expected from the 2020 cars. 2019 compounds now have to be able to handle quicker cars next season.
Wont that be a good thing? coz now we wont have tyres which goes on and on for 50 laps and still do the fastest lap :D

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henry wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:48 pm
If the tyres stay the same and downforce goes up the hysteresis energy input to the carcass on high speed straights will go up and it is possible that Pirelli will require higher tyre pressures. Higher tyre pressures will make it harder to get heat into the tyres and those teams with lower downforce will be hit once more.

Edit: I see that @izzy got there before me.
They should just leave the pressure upto the teams, that would let all teams to be competitive

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Devils advocate here.. so Pirelli supply tyres that are not acceptable to ALL the teams and thereby save themselves a huge amount of money developing tyres for next year. Now they just continue with what they have already invested in and what all the manufacturing side has already been producing. Continuity with the 2019 tyre must be quite a saving I would think 8) :wink: Not like the temptation to throw already previously designed not good enough tyres at the teams to test would be considered? I mean there is no competitor supplying tyres for a benchmark is there?

Just following the money......