2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Congratulations to Albon, he rightfully deserves it.

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_cerber1 wrote:
12 Nov 2019, 13:16
Congratulations to Albon, he rightfully deserves it.
Yes, he has been stellar so far in RBRH
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Congrats to Albon. He is still developing and needs to work on his quali pace as a priority

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well now he have 4 months of hard working and hard learning he must up his game and appear in Australia 2020 a different beast.
because RBR won't tolerate underperforming next season .. good luck and thumbs up.
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Well deserved and a good choice. Congrats Alex.

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https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 7766720517
big opportunity for Max there to surpass CL to p3 only SV should be a threat in a normal race day.
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Gasly fall was engineered internal Gasly went from being 0.3 to 0.4 behind Max to 0.8 to 1 second behind without any valid explanation,Gasly himself says he never forgot how to drive.i think it's easy to like hero when car is capable of pole than when car is 0.8 second behind.the Asia market is huge for soft drinks but not like these

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Bill wrote:
12 Nov 2019, 14:18
Gasly fall was engineered internal Gasly went from being 0.3 to 0.4 behind Max to 0.8 to 1 second behind without any valid explanation,Gasly himself says he never forgot how to drive.i think it's easy to like hero when car is capable of pole than when car is 0.8 second behind.the Asia market is huge for soft drinks but not like these
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What normal about a competent drive who is o.8 second behind his team mate or an engine that is 0.8 faster than Mercedes some things look anomal because they are,someone prop and the truth comes out.

The difference between the best drivers and worst is 0.3 according to engineers in f1 . Learn about you sport before offending people.

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That difference is in ideal conditions.
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So you agree Gasly was never given ideal condition to thrive especially towards the later part of his career with Rbr

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godlameroso wrote:
12 Nov 2019, 14:44
That difference is in ideal conditions.
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12 Nov 2019, 14:59
So you agree Gasly was never given ideal condition to thrive especially towards the later part of his career with Rbr
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In a team of Red Bull's caliber, I would sincerely doubt there is any conspiracy to promote a driver of Asian decent due to the fact that Asia is a large potential market. Anyone who is involved in deciding the driver line up of the top 3 teams and not focused primarily on maximizing on-track performance should need to be replaced immediately.

From my perspective (an industry professional, albeit not involved directly in F1), Albon has shown more than Pierre did in his time with the big team. Pierre is a very talented guy. However, drivers of equivalent talents are not necessarily interchangeable in the same car.

As was partially alluded to earlier, given a car tailored to their preferences, there is likely less than 0.5 sec between the majority of the F1 grid. Unfortunately (for this argument), modern top tier racing cars are no longer designed around the driver - as this is does not result in the highest potential froma vehicle dynamics point of view. Modern cars are built to maximize the performance of the vehicle, and then drivers who can extract the largest percentage of said performance over the highest frequency of events are promoted to drive them. The team which can build/set-up the car with the highest potential may not be the one with the largest window of extraction. This certainly appears to be the case with Red Bull. The car they have designed obviouslt has a high potential (at the very least top 3 potential in F1), but the window for performance extraction appears to be relatively narrow.

In the above scenario, as in any scenario, it is ideal to have a driver who can extract 100% of the performance of the car 100% of the time. Unfortunately from an engineering standpoint (fortunately from an entertainment standpoint) these guys are not robots, they are 20-something year-old boys. This means you inevitably will have a range on both extraction percentage and frequency. For me, Albon has shown he can produce a larger sum of the two than Gasly in the RB car. Alternatively Gasly seems to be able to at least match Albon in the STR. Therefore the decision made by Red Bull today appears to be quite logical (assuming the choice is limited to the two of them).

I understand that this is an internet forum, and that people are called fans for a reason (fanatics), but often wish topics would be approached with less emotion and more reason. These types of organizations do not tend to make whimsical decisions in the modern era.

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