+1zeph wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 19:02I'm a bonafide Alonso fan, but I can't help but feel statements like that are just an underhanded dig at Hamilton's success.
Nice info, thanks for posting.
Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 17:17
Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.
The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 17:17
Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.
Well said.drunkf1fan wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 20:36.NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 17:17
Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.
The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.
Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.
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Sorry I forgot Ricciardo and Rosberg are known for their wet weather abilities.drunkf1fan wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 20:36The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 17:17
Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.
Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.
That's not even his best drive, Turkey 2006 is still better imo.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 19:58Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.
(Inappropriate comment removed )NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 21:35Sorry I forgot Ricciardo and Rosberg are known for their wet weather abilities.drunkf1fan wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 20:36The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.NathanOlder wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 17:17
Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.
Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.
Going back to what I said originally, Max's drive that day was good. not in the same league as Senna 84, and Schumacher 96.
Alonso has been massively complimentary towards Hamilton for basically the last decade, he's calling a spade a spade IMO.zeph wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 19:02I'm a bonafide Alonso fan, but I can't help but feel statements like that are just an underhanded dig at Hamilton's success.
It was a good drive but not in F1 so even more OT than my post!dans79 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 21:40That's not even his best drive, Turkey 2006 is still better imo.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 19:58Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.