2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

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proteus wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:19 pm
Anyone has any data who is under investigation for opened DRS under yellow?
The data will be posted here later....https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... rmation-22
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Noble29 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:21 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:20 pm
Hamilton confirmed it was his call to pit at the end. 🤔
For very valid reasons...
Very likely given the potential restart on mediums...

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Albon very mature in the TV interview when asked about the lost podium. He's a good lad and hopefully will go a long way in F1.

Hamilton says he was given the choice about the second SC stop. He was struggling with the fronts so would have been a sitting duck anyway so took the fresher softs. Also, he again took ownership of the contact with Albon. Mature response from the champion.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:17 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:14 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:11 pm
Mercedes dropped the ball here, fair play they got the undercut at the first stops but Hamilton was swamped by Max.

Their mistake was in the second stint, Lewis had good pace as he was catching Max at the end of the stint. They should have pushed harder earlier and gone for the undercut on hards, that way they would have forced Red Bull in to doing a longer stint on the mediums.
No, the mistake was not following Verstappen into the pits under the first safety car. They left him an absolute sitting duck at the restart. It's clear the Honda engine was every bit as good, if not slightly better than the Mercedes one here, and on old tyres? It was inevitable he'd get overtaken.
No, that was the thing to do as Lewis didn't have the pace to pass Max.
It was a guaranteed second place regardless of whether he could have got past the Red Bull or not. It was far more stupid to leave him out and subsequently completely exposed to a group of fast cars on far better tyres right behind him.

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Brenton wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:13 pm
Still the result of course was amazing. What an awesome race.
it was a crap, unsatisfying race. Another SC for a car that was right by an exit gap, only needed a rope, that led to more incidents and another SC, so the result was just all about SC's instead of racing for 300km

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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:24 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:17 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:14 pm


No, the mistake was not following Verstappen into the pits under the first safety car. They left him an absolute sitting duck at the restart. It's clear the Honda engine was every bit as good, if not slightly better than the Mercedes one here, and on old tyres? It was inevitable he'd get overtaken.
No, that was the thing to do as Lewis didn't have the pace to pass Max.
It was a guaranteed second place regardless of whether he could have got past the Red Bull or not. It was far more stupid to leave him out and subsequently completely exposed to a group of fast cars on far better tyres right behind him.
They were thinking about the win and the win only. They gave it a shot but Verstappen got past Hamilton at the first opportunity.

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izzy wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:25 pm
Brenton wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:13 pm
Still the result of course was amazing. What an awesome race.
it was a crap, unsatisfying race. Another SC for a car that was right by an exit gap, only needed a rope, that led to more incidents and another SC, so the result was just all about SC's instead of racing for 300km
We disagreed about safety cars a month or so ago, but I 100% agree with you about today's one. That safety car was simply not necessary, and completely changed the outcome of the race.

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Every time in Mexico and Brasil that RB pace was down more to the fact that until last year Renault the biggest turbo hence was the least ICE affected by the high altitude on losing power in contrast with Merc and their customers which were the most affected ...

Now in 2019, Renault went for a smaller turbo and it was Honda that followed this trend and picked up this advantage as we could clearly see at Mexico and here when VER could easily overtake HAM, at least on the first time after the first pit stop. And another testimony was that HAM was unable to pass GAS on that final lap ...

But for me, the most impressive and decisive argument on my theory was that move made by ALB against both LEC and VET ...

And last but not least, both HAM and Christian Horner praised the progress Honda has made this year, something we welcome for the next year with this mighty Ferrari PU and rumours that Merc finally has had solved their cooling issues and make some progress against Ferrari on PU front.

Speaking about that and just go deep into the Merc problems there were 2 main problems: firstly, they`ve run under a lower PU mode on their 3rd spec after Perez accident in Spa and secondly, their biggest loss was the cooling design issue, something they didn`t fully address even after that Germany cooling mainly upgrade. And that didn`t allow them to run in the highest PU mode but most of all didn`t allow to get a further fuel upgrade from Petronas, which nowadays is almost all the power gains they get ...
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Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:27 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:24 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:17 pm


No, that was the thing to do as Lewis didn't have the pace to pass Max.
It was a guaranteed second place regardless of whether he could have got past the Red Bull or not. It was far more stupid to leave him out and subsequently completely exposed to a group of fast cars on far better tyres right behind him.
They were thinking about the win and the win only. They gave it a shot but Verstappen got past Hamilton at the first opportunity.
He did. Because of the complete disparity between old, medium tyres and new, soft tyres, and the relative strong performance of the Red Bull compared to the Mercedes around this circuit. It was clear as day to anyone what would immediately happen. He's lucky the Ferraris crashed into each other or he'd have probably lost more places.

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izzy wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:25 pm
Brenton wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:13 pm
Still the result of course was amazing. What an awesome race.
it was a crap, unsatisfying race. Another SC for a car that was right by an exit gap, only needed a rope, that led to more incidents and another SC, so the result was just all about SC's instead of racing for 300km
Maybe the car had a high voltage problem , you want to go in there and get shocked ?

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Before the SC Lewis was about to get DRS on Max with around 17 laps to go, who knows what would've happened without the SC. VSC would've sufficed, it just brought Ferrari into the mix and gave Red Bull an obvious decision by boxing for fresh softs, race over.

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bill shoe wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:42 pm
It's the Vettel of old! Steering into cars (Button at Spa, Webber at Turkey) on straights. Then blaming them!
Thinking the same, classic Vettel cutting inside. Spa Eau Source and Singapore start 2017...

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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:30 pm
Wass85 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:27 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:24 pm


It was a guaranteed second place regardless of whether he could have got past the Red Bull or not. It was far more stupid to leave him out and subsequently completely exposed to a group of fast cars on far better tyres right behind him.
They were thinking about the win and the win only. They gave it a shot but Verstappen got past Hamilton at the first opportunity.
He did. Because of the complete disparity between old, medium tyres and new, soft tyres, and the relative strong performance of the Red Bull compared to the Mercedes around this circuit. It was clear as day to anyone what would immediately happen. He's lucky the Ferraris crashed into each other or he'd have probably lost more places.
He did so because Lewis had a terrible restart. Saying that it was just a matter of time, he would have passed Lewis with ease at some other point.

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Hamilton and Vettel did questionable moves this time round... Great race for Gasly, but gutted for Albon, he drove at his best this time round. I feel the inner pressure in Ferrari is causing some trouble. Both Vet and Lec's actions are not something you do to your teammate (unless you are in a situation like 2016 for example, but even then it is a little bit over the top). Smooth operator for podium, if Ricciardo was penalized, so should be Hamilton.

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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:27 pm
izzy wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:25 pm
Brenton wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:13 pm
Still the result of course was amazing. What an awesome race.
it was a crap, unsatisfying race. Another SC for a car that was right by an exit gap, only needed a rope, that led to more incidents and another SC, so the result was just all about SC's instead of racing for 300km
We disagreed about safety cars a month or so ago, but I 100% agree with you about today's one. That safety car was simply not necessary, and completely changed the outcome of the race.
You dont know if the crew called in because of some high voltage risk ! they called it in !