2020 Australian GP might be threatened

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Just_a_fan
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It seems that F1 is, very sensibly, watching the terrible fire situation in Australia. Hopefully the fires will be quenched sooner rather than later, but if not the GP could be at risk.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51020847

I'm sure all F1 fans are thinking of the Australians and their plight anyway, but best wishes to Oz from me at least.
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izzy
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yes what a terrible situation, millions of animals or even a billion, and 66 days to F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause. What a huge challenge to our perspective! And what does F1 do?? It looks bad if they abandon it and make it look even more of a disaster, and it looks bad if they go ahead regardless.

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Formula one is one of the biggest marketing displays. They could zoom in on the distress going on down under. Fly there with a minimal footprint, free entrance and hospitality for firefighters, affected people and a big donation to the relief funds. The FIA, liberty and drivers could take up responsibility to show their global audience what is going on and how we can help and/or change (although that last one is always controversial).

Of course, especially during the Bernie days, even gross humanitarian violations weren’t grounds not to visit a country, as long as it was insurable. Let’s see how big Liberty’s balls are now.

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izzy wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 22:54
yes what a terrible situation, millions of animals or even a billion, and 66 days to F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause. What a huge challenge to our perspective! And what does F1 do?? It looks bad if they abandon it and make it look even more of a disaster, and it looks bad if they go ahead regardless.
Isn't F1 fully carbon neutral.

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3jawchuck wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 23:41
izzy wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 22:54
yes what a terrible situation, millions of animals or even a billion, and 66 days to F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause. What a huge challenge to our perspective! And what does F1 do?? It looks bad if they abandon it and make it look even more of a disaster, and it looks bad if they go ahead regardless.
Isn't F1 fully carbon neutral.
they pledged to accomplish that by 2030

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Jolle wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 23:53
3jawchuck wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 23:41
Isn't F1 fully carbon neutral.
they pledged to accomplish that by 2030
yes it's only a 10-year plan, and not even easy to explain how is it! You can imagine after another 2 months of burning it'd only need Greta to say something and it could do F1 a lot of damage. Visually F1 and the fires could be right there side by side on global TV

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izzy wrote:
08 Jan 2020, 00:04
Jolle wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 23:53
3jawchuck wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 23:41
Isn't F1 fully carbon neutral.
they pledged to accomplish that by 2030
yes it's only a 10-year plan, and not even easy to explain how is it! You can imagine after another 2 months of burning it'd only need Greta to say something and it could do F1 a lot of damage. Visually F1 and the fires could be right there side by side on global TV
could also be a wakeup call that we can't wait another ten years. F1 could, both financially and practical be carbon neutral before the Australian GP. They could fund/buy/plant trees in the affected area to offset all their carbon use and more.

It's time to act.

Just_a_fan
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izzy wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 22:54
F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause.
Did you read the full article? The bit at the bottom that reckons that the football World Cup produces 10x the CO2 of a whole season of F1?

Motorsport is indefensible from an environmental perspective. That's the simple hard truth. But other "clean" sports are just as bad. Football? Yes. Athletics? Yes - everyone flies to competitions around the world (that includes the Olympics which probably matches or exceeds the football World Cup in its pollution footprint). Cycling? Yes, see athletics. Marathons? Yes, see athletics. Equestrian? Yes, see athletics (plus the animals themselves and all the stuff used to look after them).
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jan 2020, 00:18
izzy wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 22:54
F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause.
Did you read the full article? The bit at the bottom that reckons that the football World Cup produces 10x the CO2 of a whole season of F1?

Motorsport is indefensible from an environmental perspective. That's the simple hard truth. But other "clean" sports are just as bad. Football? Yes. Athletics? Yes - everyone flies to competitions around the world (that includes the Olympics which probably matches or exceeds the football World Cup in its pollution footprint). Cycling? Yes, see athletics. Marathons? Yes, see athletics. Equestrian? Yes, see athletics (plus the animals themselves and all the stuff used to look after them).
bottom line is, not the sport itself is a big polluter, but the size of the event. Any event, from music festivals, NBA, etc etc, everything with moving big amounts of people and stuff around is bad. This is one of the reasons a band like Coldplay has said, no more touring on at the current scale.

izzy
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jan 2020, 00:18
Did you read the full article? The bit at the bottom that reckons that the football World Cup produces 10x the CO2 of a whole season of F1?

Motorsport is indefensible from an environmental perspective. That's the simple hard truth. But other "clean" sports are just as bad. Football? Yes. Athletics? Yes - everyone flies to competitions around the world (that includes the Olympics which probably matches or exceeds the football World Cup in its pollution footprint). Cycling? Yes, see athletics. Marathons? Yes, see athletics. Equestrian? Yes, see athletics (plus the animals themselves and all the stuff used to look after them).
F1 itself is completely insignificant as a source of global warming, it's the visual image that'll be all over the media, potentially. F1 as an example. Generally most human activity generates problems, simply because there are too many of us, but what could happen in Oz is that everyone'll be up in arms about it, looking for a cause, a scapegoat, something to latch onto. And there will be F1, all rich and excessive, burning all that fossil fuel just to go round and round.

The real problem obviously is that in 1800 there were 1 billion people and by 2030 there'll be 8.5 billion and counting, but nobody wants to have their inalienable right to reproduce themselves questioned (this is how we evolved after all), so instead they'll look for a handy band of people with their heads above the parapet, and there will be F1 right there on the scene with half the world's cameras, ticking every wasteful human excess box you can think of!

Tho as @Jolle says in many ways it won't hurt to have butts kicked about global warming

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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jan 2020, 00:18
izzy wrote:
07 Jan 2020, 22:54
F1 going trivially round and round in circles adding needlessly to global warming that's part of the cause.
Did you read the full article? The bit at the bottom that reckons that the football World Cup produces 10x the CO2 of a whole season of F1?

Motorsport is indefensible from an environmental perspective. That's the simple hard truth. But other "clean" sports are just as bad. Football? Yes. Athletics? Yes - everyone flies to competitions around the world (that includes the Olympics which probably matches or exceeds the football World Cup in its pollution footprint). Cycling? Yes, see athletics. Marathons? Yes, see athletics. Equestrian? Yes, see athletics (plus the animals themselves and all the stuff used to look after them).
You're pointing out the hard facts. But at the end it will be the motorsports (especially F1 because of it's global reach) which the fingers will point at. Even though it makes up only a fraction of the CO2 emissions.
Such little changes won't have a big impact, that's for sure.

Combustion engines have gone a long way and it will not take a long time anymore until we'll see the first carbon neutral cars. By that time the manufacturing process of electric cars will have to have significantly less CO2 emissions to then be an enviromental upgrade to modern internal combustion engine cars.

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its an interesting topic but sometimes a bit OTT. Global warming has been happening since the ice age, which itself was a cooling after a previous hot period....grape vine fossils even found in finland ! It is all part of the pulsating cycle of our earth. It just happens to be the in thing to talk about these days.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer which was to see the end of the world? surprise surprise, it mended itself and now it is not a problem.
and now it has been identified that there are glaciers in the arctic and in patagonia that are actually increasing in size. maybe the fact that they dont so far host an F1 race is the reason? :D

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aral wrote:
09 Jan 2020, 17:06
its an interesting topic but sometimes a bit OTT. Global warming has been happening since the ice age, which itself was a cooling after a previous hot period....grape vine fossils even found in finland ! It is all part of the pulsating cycle of our earth. It just happens to be the in thing to talk about these days.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer which was to see the end of the world? surprise surprise, it mended itself and now it is not a problem.
and now it has been identified that there are glaciers in the arctic and in patagonia that are actually increasing in size. maybe the fact that they dont so far host an F1 race is the reason? :D
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During the fires, that was one of the biggest events in the world about burnouts… The Summernats 2020.


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09 Jan 2020, 17:28
During the fires, that was one of the biggest events in the world about burnouts… The Summernats 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQIDj7ABOC4
U.S. military consumes more hydrocarbons than most countries -- massive hidden impact on climate

Burnouts make for easy distraction from the main focus.
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