Mercedes W11

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One team looks very confident they'll be running in front quite often with those brake ducts.

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.poz wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:58 am
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71 ... 836f9c.jpg

Quite impressive
Yes, indeed. The carbon fiber work looks absolutely brilliant. There seems to be a blue color added to the clear coat.

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Nice high-res profile shot:

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And some raw footage from the shakedown, including some onboard footage (enjoy the sound, my friends :mrgreen: ):


OO7
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I noticed another small change around the bargeboards:

W10:
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W11:
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OO7
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The undercut/coke bottle region of the W11 looks pretty supreme in the following images:

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OO7 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:14 am
The undercut/coke bottle region of the W11 looks pretty supreme in the following images:

https://i.imgur.com/I3XjHxt.png
https://i.imgur.com/8xEzTBF.png
https://i.imgur.com/8KYl37y.png
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
Wroom wroom

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F1Krof wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:57 am
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
I'll wait for more photos but so far to me it looks like:
1) Mercedes
2) Red Bull
3) Ferrari

It's difficult/impossible for RBR and Ferrari to achieve the same level of coke bottle undercut due to their respective exhaust manifold layouts.

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OO7 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:17 am
F1Krof wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:57 am
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
I'll wait for more photos but so far to me it looks like:
1) Mercedes
2) Red Bull
3) Ferrari

It's difficult/impossible for RBR and Ferrari to achieve the same level of coke bottle undercut due to their respective exhaust manifold layouts.
I agree with this order.

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:40 am
OO7 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:17 am
F1Krof wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:57 am
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
I'll wait for more photos but so far to me it looks like:
1) Mercedes
2) Red Bull
3) Ferrari

It's difficult/impossible for RBR and Ferrari to achieve the same level of coke bottle undercut due to their respective exhaust manifold layouts.
I agree with this order.
The Ferrari SF1000 rear undercut isn't even a match for the W10 and something tells me it's the same for the RB16.

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It might be an optical illusion, but is this (in yellow) the “adventurous suspension layout” that James Allison mentioned about W11?
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Via @NicolasF1i
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Sevach
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OO7 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:17 am
F1Krof wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:57 am
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
I'll wait for more photos but so far to me it looks like:
1) Mercedes
2) Red Bull
3) Ferrari

It's difficult/impossible for RBR and Ferrari to achieve the same level of coke bottle undercut due to their respective exhaust manifold layouts.
Mercedes looks the smallest to me as well.
With that said, Red Bull (and Ferrari too) prefers a rounded (old school people around here will remember the infamous Radii topic) design which might lead to slightly larger size while Mercedes just goes for as small as possible, nip/tuck style.

Still... those top down pictures of cars coming out of the pitlane will give a definitive answer to this.

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Sevach wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:48 pm
OO7 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:17 am
F1Krof wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:57 am
Looks pretty tight. I still think RBR's and even Ferrari's is even better.
I'll wait for more photos but so far to me it looks like:
1) Mercedes
2) Red Bull
3) Ferrari

It's difficult/impossible for RBR and Ferrari to achieve the same level of coke bottle undercut due to their respective exhaust manifold layouts.
Mercedes looks the smallest to me as well.
With that said, Red Bull (and Ferrari too) prefers a rounded (old school people around here will remember the infamous Radii topic) design which might lead to slightly larger size while Mercedes just goes for as small as possible, nip/tuck style.

Still... those top down pictures of cars coming out of the pitlane will give a definitive answer to this.
The mercedes will look the tightest because they run a longer car so it's almost an optical illusion. The further back they go the less they have to package into the coke bottle.

So I'd argue that red bull and Ferrari will have had a tougher time packaging the rears of their cars and as such have done just as good a job.

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It's actually scary that they have managed to go slimmer. Mercedes has consistently been the fattest of the top 3 and yet they have always been competitive. And by competitive I mean the fastest of the bunch. They will probably be very quick this year too.

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Sevach wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:48 pm
old school people around here will remember the infamous Radii topic
Can you give link to the topic?
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” - George Bernard Shaw

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Morteza wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:38 pm
It might be an optical illusion, but is this (in yellow) the “adventurous suspension layout” that James Allison mentioned about W11?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ0GTMrWsAAwQfS.jpg:large
Via @NicolasF1i
They added that and brought the "teal" piece forward, away from the diffuser.

I wonder what the yellow piece is suppoused to do in terms of actual suspension work.
Mercedes has messed with clever stuff hydraulic passive suspensions, and recently pushrods designed to alter ride height...
So it makes me curious if there's more to it than they are saying.
Maplesoup wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:05 pm

The mercedes will look the tightest because they run a longer car so it's almost an optical illusion. The further back they go the less they have to package into the coke bottle.

So I'd argue that red bull and Ferrari will have had a tougher time packaging the rears of their cars and as such have done just as good a job.
That's a factor too, yes.