I don’t think the fins are much steeper at all. The pics are not for scale and the width of the rear wing end plates as a whole is different. So, the steeper fins on RP is just an illusion.izzy wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 01:07i can't immediately find the piece i read but those aren't identical are they? Given that they're all pretty similar with the combs banned. The side fins are much steeper on the RP and they look different lower down too, as far as we can see, and the proportions of the sawteeth are different. I think they can claim they designed it, even if it was obviously 'inspired by' the W10
They might need some other new parts before Oz tho... but they might be in the plan anyway
No true, the Haas isn't a copy, Ferrari generously gave them their own unique designLM10 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 02:24The Haas has never been as much of a copy as the Racing Point is. This year's Haas has a different front wing, a different rear wing, different bargeboards, a different floor, a different engine cover, a different airbox. To name the obvious ones.
The steeper fins on the rear wing of the RP20 could not be of more irrelevance. Probably they've made it like this to argue that it's not an exact copy.
Mmmm you might be right, now i look more closely. Anyway they have an upgrade coming for Oz and now they have to prove they 'designed' it.
Yes good points, it's a slippery slope in a bad direction! It sounds like F1 have more or less designed everybody's car for next year, almostbill shoe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 03:35This RP situation raises lots of issues that are becoming more important over time as F1 moves toward more of a spec (or at least an increasingly restricted) formula in 2021. If everyone is limited to having similar bodywork within a variability spectrum from A to Z, and everyone eventually optimizes on J, then what does it mean to "design" the aero of next year's car to the same set of rules?
FOM and Ross Brawn are trying to reduce the performance returns from $pending, especially aero spending. This will necessarily lead to less and less visual variation among cars.
2020 may be the last year we even get this much visual variation. If the 2024 RP is a copy of the 2023 Mercedes, would there be any way to tell?
Lmao where are those comments I need a good laugh... Maybe the most ridiculous theory yetPowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 00:14Comments elsewhere on this forum report people seeing 4 W10 chassis going into RP factory.
Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'yinlad wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 10:18Lmao where are those comments I need a good laugh... Maybe the most ridiculous theory yetPowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 00:14Comments elsewhere on this forum report people seeing 4 W10 chassis going into RP factory.
Who said this? Any team member/ employee?PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:34Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'yinlad wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 10:18Lmao where are those comments I need a good laugh... Maybe the most ridiculous theory yetPowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 00:14Comments elsewhere on this forum report people seeing 4 W10 chassis going into RP factory.
The full quote is
"I know for a fact that Racing point received 4 Chassis from Mercedes last November. Wheeled them in to the back door. Let’s bear in mind, that they test in the same wind tunnel on the weekends. Who knows what information is shared..."
The bargeboard area is 'Exactly' the same... so how can the TP quote ' Our design from scratch'... i can smell the BS from here... The only good thing is Merc technically cant 'give them' a 2021 car- they will need to actual design that themselves - unless of course they are getting knock-off from that design too.
The only good that can come of this is when RP beat a Redbull in a race and then Marko and Horner get all moany and silly.. then i will take my hat off to the Copy cats at RP
Its a member on this forum- of which we know there are employees or even ex-employees on here.JRindt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 12:33Who said this? Any team member/ employee?PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:34Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'
The full quote is
"I know for a fact that Racing point received 4 Chassis from Mercedes last November. Wheeled them in to the back door. Let’s bear in mind, that they test in the same wind tunnel on the weekends. Who knows what information is shared..."
The bargeboard area is 'Exactly' the same... so how can the TP quote ' Our design from scratch'... i can smell the BS from here... The only good thing is Merc technically cant 'give them' a 2021 car- they will need to actual design that themselves - unless of course they are getting knock-off from that design too.
The only good that can come of this is when RP beat a Redbull in a race and then Marko and Horner get all moany and silly.. then i will take my hat off to the Copy cats at RP
Sounds a bit dubious to me. I suspect there was some IP sharing, but to actually physically receive cars is a bit over the top. One would think if RP really have got any inputs, they will be in the form of design info or personnel exchange.
Well said. That is why I thought they look identical. Ted kravitz said something about the rear being different but I think he might be mistaken as every picture has that rear wing. I'm yet to find anything noticeably different!JRindt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 06:33I don’t think the fins are much steeper at all. The pics are not for scale and the width of the rear wing end plates as a whole is different. So, the steeper fins on RP is just an illusion.izzy wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 01:07i can't immediately find the piece i read but those aren't identical are they? Given that they're all pretty similar with the combs banned. The side fins are much steeper on the RP and they look different lower down too, as far as we can see, and the proportions of the sawteeth are different. I think they can claim they designed it, even if it was obviously 'inspired by' the W10
They might need some other new parts before Oz tho... but they might be in the plan anyway
It's pretty ridiculous. Why would they deliver cars to the factory, and why 4?! All of this, why, when they share a wind tunnel in the first place that would make quite the convenient location for anything they wanted to do together. Pure silly talk.JRindt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 12:33Who said this? Any team member/ employee?PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:34Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'
The full quote is
"I know for a fact that Racing point received 4 Chassis from Mercedes last November. Wheeled them in to the back door. Let’s bear in mind, that they test in the same wind tunnel on the weekends. Who knows what information is shared..."
The bargeboard area is 'Exactly' the same... so how can the TP quote ' Our design from scratch'... i can smell the BS from here... The only good thing is Merc technically cant 'give them' a 2021 car- they will need to actual design that themselves - unless of course they are getting knock-off from that design too.
The only good that can come of this is when RP beat a Redbull in a race and then Marko and Horner get all moany and silly.. then i will take my hat off to the Copy cats at RP
Sounds a bit dubious to me. I suspect there was some IP sharing, but to actually physically receive cars is a bit over the top. One would think if RP really have got any inputs, they will be in the form of design info or personnel exchange.
Nah it's not true. What actually happened was that Hamilton, Bottas, Stroll Jr and Perez drove all four cars very slowly in formation directly from one factory to the other one, entering through the front doors, all while displaying a big banner saying 'F you, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull'.JRindt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 12:33Who said this? Any team member/ employee?PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:34Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'
The full quote is
"I know for a fact that Racing point received 4 Chassis from Mercedes last November. Wheeled them in to the back door. Let’s bear in mind, that they test in the same wind tunnel on the weekends. Who knows what information is shared..."
The bargeboard area is 'Exactly' the same... so how can the TP quote ' Our design from scratch'... i can smell the BS from here... The only good thing is Merc technically cant 'give them' a 2021 car- they will need to actual design that themselves - unless of course they are getting knock-off from that design too.
The only good that can come of this is when RP beat a Redbull in a race and then Marko and Horner get all moany and silly.. then i will take my hat off to the Copy cats at RP
Sounds a bit dubious to me. I suspect there was some IP sharing, but to actually physically receive cars is a bit over the top. One would think if RP really have got any inputs, they will be in the form of design info or personnel exchange.
They would take 4 because it's less conspicuous than a lone car going around- 4 because you would of course ask for the low and high drag versions- and you might even have different versions with ride height for Monaco etc. At the end of the day even though it sounds ridiculous - but they shared a Merc windtunnel and the car is a carbon copy of the W10-yinlad wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 13:30It's pretty ridiculous. Why would they deliver cars to the factory, and why 4?! All of this, why, when they share a wind tunnel in the first place that would make quite the convenient location for anything they wanted to do together. Pure silly talk.JRindt wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 12:33Who said this? Any team member/ employee?PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:34
Racing point- aka- 'off the back of a lorry...'
The full quote is
"I know for a fact that Racing point received 4 Chassis from Mercedes last November. Wheeled them in to the back door. Let’s bear in mind, that they test in the same wind tunnel on the weekends. Who knows what information is shared..."
The bargeboard area is 'Exactly' the same... so how can the TP quote ' Our design from scratch'... i can smell the BS from here... The only good thing is Merc technically cant 'give them' a 2021 car- they will need to actual design that themselves - unless of course they are getting knock-off from that design too.
The only good that can come of this is when RP beat a Redbull in a race and then Marko and Horner get all moany and silly.. then i will take my hat off to the Copy cats at RP
Sounds a bit dubious to me. I suspect there was some IP sharing, but to actually physically receive cars is a bit over the top. One would think if RP really have got any inputs, they will be in the form of design info or personnel exchange.
Fair enough- rant over..