PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:32 pmGhostF1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:58 amSo you're saying unless I bring you a photo or indeed an in the metal MGU-H from a current F1 power unit, your Garrett electric road car turbo must be correct? That's a little self important of you.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:26 amHuh? I didn't know you are a master of spin too.
Ghost, you have failed to bring supporting evidence or solid engineering theory to back-up your claims even after a barrage of evidence countering your arguments. You have floundered in posts dragging out the conversations to no avail. Therfore I have seen enough to surmise that Honda's MGUH is 99% likely to be clutchless until anyone else can convince me otherwise.
I wish you could see your reflection, Ghost.
The fact of the matter is you're guessing just as much as I am. The difference being you think they won't bother, I assume they will look for gains anywhere at this point
The one who has floundered is you that consistently sidesteps every question I've asked. You're whole argument is literally "this road car Garrett turbo I found online doesn't have a clutch, so clearly, F1 doesnt".... Seriously??
I've not once claimed I have conclusive evidence, I rather harmlessly suggested in theory there could be a benefit if they get it right. But now, I almost feel like you've got a bet going to put Garrett in every single reply, and on that ... please for the love of God, don't send me to the Garrett website again.
I answered your questions in the science articles linked. I cant win with you unless a photo of an F1 MGUH is sliced inbhalf emerges on the internet. Or maybe Yamamoto himself answers if there is a clutch.
Anyway. I am satifsified in myself that there is no clutch.
garrett would have leverage experience and investments in F1 to use a similar system for the production car applications. I doubt the technology would be far off.
2015 Garrett and Ferrari
https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/medi ... formula-1/
2019 technology to be applied to road cars in 2021
https://www.designnews.com/automotive-0 ... 2715061742
Just some Interesting notes from the articles:
Tip speeds approaching 600m/s. You can estimate a range of turbine RPMs from this.
E-turbos can be 15% larger than conventional turbos.
Late arrival of 48Volts production cars caused late introduction of E-turbos.
Honda is interesting because we dont know how much of their turbocharger is IHI..
The same for Mercedes and (mitsubishi? Borgwarner?)
Good lord... These articles bear no relevance to F1 so I do t know how you can be so convinced without conceding the possibility lol. The links are all non starters because of that.
you're also obviously ignoring this so I've put it in red for you. I agree with you for a road car, a clutch would be a pointless addition and a reliability risk, it would have zero benefit. BUT, F1 has a set of regulations that restrict certain operations for the turbo/MGU-H, this clearly is not relevant for the road car world, they can design without limit until their hearts are content.
If they have found a way to sidestep this restriction, if necessary, and the unit only needs to last 7 race weekends, not a lifetime in a road car, then why is it absolutely not possible?
I can see what you are doing with these examples and links but it's ultimately flawed and can't be used as a definitive. If we were debating combustion tech (injector, chamber etc) and you linked me something used in road cars today as evidence it's what they are using, it would be the same disagreement. How is it confirmation?