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Wass85
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Just_a_fan wrote:
26 Mar 2020, 19:25
Parc Ferme is an event issue, not a season issue, I believe. The cars go in to parc ferme after a certain point in a race weekend ("the event"). The are certain things that are locked-in for the season such as homologated items, but that's a different issue.
But surely this delay will allow teams to adjust and alter their cars in a way that would not be possible whilst being occupied with race weekends?

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Wass85 wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:11
Just_a_fan wrote:
26 Mar 2020, 19:25
Parc Ferme is an event issue, not a season issue, I believe. The cars go in to parc ferme after a certain point in a race weekend ("the event"). The are certain things that are locked-in for the season such as homologated items, but that's a different issue.
But surely this delay will allow teams to adjust and alter their cars in a way that would not be possible whilst being occupied with race weekends?
But that's not against the rules, except for the homologated stuff obviously.
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Wass85
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Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:16
Wass85 wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:11
Just_a_fan wrote:
26 Mar 2020, 19:25
Parc Ferme is an event issue, not a season issue, I believe. The cars go in to parc ferme after a certain point in a race weekend ("the event"). The are certain things that are locked-in for the season such as homologated items, but that's a different issue.
But surely this delay will allow teams to adjust and alter their cars in a way that would not be possible whilst being occupied with race weekends?
But that's not against the rules, except for the homologated stuff obviously.
Well that's fair enough, I wonder if any teams will be think of installing DAS.

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Presumably if they think it will give a benefit in their particular car. Different cars have different strengths and weaknesses. Maybe others wouldn't see enough improvement to be worth spending resource on it.
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Wass85 wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:18
Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:16
Wass85 wrote:
27 Mar 2020, 00:11


But surely this delay will allow teams to adjust and alter their cars in a way that would not be possible whilst being occupied with race weekends?
But that's not against the rules, except for the homologated stuff obviously.
Well that's fair enough, I wonder if any teams will be think of installing DAS.
The space it takes up seems to require a bigger hole in the bulkhead. This explains why the other teams said a chassis modification and thus a crash test will be required to install it even if they manage to design and build a DAS of their own.
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ENGINE TUNER
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More improvements on the W11, this time on the front brake bell to increase air flow thru the wheel.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how- ... l/4774938/

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I'd be surprised if the FIA allow that wheel bell design to pass. It's basically what RedBull had banned years ago.
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Allegedly Ferrari and Red Bull have found out that Mercedes connects engine and transmission with only four studs, but still manages to make this connection torsionally stiff. Ferrari and Red Bull Honda need six studs. The consequence: The transmission is therefore built a bit wider. This could be an aerodynamic disadvantage. Both teams therefore want to build new transmissions for 2021.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ona-krise/

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Blackout
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Indeed. I dont see the median gearbox mounting points on the gearbox, while their engine counterparts near the clutch are hidden by the exhaust pipes... but this doesnt make the gbox "less wide"
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Just_a_fan
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Blackout wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 10:13
Indeed. I dont see the median gearboxmounting points on the gearbox, while their engine countreparts near the clutch are hidden by the exhaust pipes... but this doesnt make the gbox "less wide"
If the exhaust pipes can be tucked in where the studs should be then they make the overall package narrower in this area which might be what is meant.
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Blackout wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 10:13
Indeed. I dont see the median gearbox mounting points on the gearbox, while their engine counterparts near the clutch are hidden by the exhaust pipes... but this doesnt make the gbox "less wide"
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https://sf.viepratique.fr/wp-content/up ... ess_6.jpg
https://sf.viepratique.fr/wp-content/up ... iel_14.jpg
https://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/u ... 50x410.jpg
https://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/u ... 50x410.jpg
These pics from when/where?

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Blackout wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 10:13
Indeed. I dont see the median gearbox mounting points on the gearbox, while their engine counterparts near the clutch are hidden by the exhaust pipes... but this doesnt make the gbox "less wide"
2019
https://sf.viepratique.fr/wp-content/up ... ess_6.jpg
https://sf.viepratique.fr/wp-content/up ... iel_14.jpg
https://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/u ... 50x410.jpg
https://sf2.viepratique.fr/wp-content/u ... 50x410.jpg
Thank you, nice details.

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Blackout
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From
https://f1i.auto-moto.com/magazine/maga ... mission/5/
https://f1i.auto-moto.com/infos/techniq ... es/#item=6
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Just_a_fan wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 10:16
If the exhaust pipes can be tucked in where the studs should be then they make the overall package narrower in this area which might be what is meant.
So as far as I understand, Merc makes the 3 exhaust pipes of each bank merge behind the engine (that's why the bell-housing hole for the exhausts is huge) and they remove the middle mounting points and studs to facilitate that. So that makes the exhaust pipes take less space, they are shrink wrapped around the engine...

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Just_a_fan wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 01:20
I'd be surprised if the FIA allow that wheel bell design to pass. It's basically what RedBull had banned years ago.
isn't what was banned blowing through the hollow axle? Then what Mercedes do is have a skinny "solid" axle with space around it and blow through the wheel into the spokes

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Blackout wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 22:21
From
https://f1i.auto-moto.com/magazine/maga ... mission/5/
https://f1i.auto-moto.com/infos/techniq ... es/#item=6
and 2019
Just_a_fan wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 10:16
If the exhaust pipes can be tucked in where the studs should be then they make the overall package narrower in this area which might be what is meant.
So as far as I understand, Merc makes the 3 exhaust pipes of each bank merge behind the engine (that's why the bell-housing hole for the exhausts is huge) and they remove the middle mounting points and studs to facilitate that. So that makes the exhaust pipes take less space, they are shrink wrapped around the engine...
gorgeous! no wonder it has the others in a panic :fearful:

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