2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

[JordanMugen]

A copy-paste car on the podium, just to have another car in the mix? No, thank you.

It has always been within the rules to copy another team. Indeed, Williams were reported to have access to the Lotus 79 wind tunnel model... allegedly. A copy-paste car winning the championship!

The Williams FW07 was a ground effect Formula One racing car designed by Patrick Head, Frank Dernie, and Neil Oatley for the 1979 F1 season. It was closely based on the Lotus 79, even being developed in the same wind tunnel at Imperial College London. Some observers, among them Lotus aerodynamicist Peter Wright felt the FW07 was little more than a re-engineered Lotus 79.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_FW07

As Otmar says, Racing Point have merely switched from a Red Bull clone to a Mercedes clone.

[Big Tea]

can't beleve i'm asking this should racing point try a different strategy to try and take the race to merc

They should probably consider putting Strol on hard(er) if there is any sign of rain late in the race.

[bill shoe]

from above or the front it (the Merc W11 car) looks bland and invisible against the track surface.

They are probably going for the stealth approach, it's hard to beat what you can't see!

This will make it very difficult for Racing Point to design their 2021 car!

[djones]

W11 in 1st and 2nd, with the w10 in 3rd.

I said this before CV19, but I expect to see incredible domination in this race and season by Mercedes. My reasoning?

Ferrari gave Mercedes (mainly engine dept) a fake target. Mercedes invested millions in trying to get the power Ferrari had. But then that Ferrari power was removed in rule clarifications.

Mercedes now have a car and engine that was designed to compete with an artificial target above what the competition is actually at.

[PlatinumZealot]

...

RedBull serious balance issues. Horner and Marko looking concerned. Car looks nible. Engine sounds way more cranky than last year.

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http://postimg.cc/mc2mj4g8

Yeah, in that particular 8th lap VER had a bit of a tow from RIC in the first stint but nevertheless it`s the same tyre, life tyre and time of the day between them, isn`t it?

Just visual from watching the car I based that balance assessment on.

[LM10]

A copy-paste car on the podium, just to have another car in the mix? No, thank you.

It has always been within the rules to copy another team. Indeed, Williams were reported to have access to the Lotus 79 wind tunnel model... allegedly. A copy-paste car winning the championship!

The Williams FW07 was a ground effect Formula One racing car designed by Patrick Head, Frank Dernie, and Neil Oatley for the 1979 F1 season. It was closely based on the Lotus 79, even being developed in the same wind tunnel at Imperial College London. Some observers, among them Lotus aerodynamicist Peter Wright felt the FW07 was little more than a re-engineered Lotus 79.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_FW07

As Otmar says, Racing Point have merely switched from a Red Bull clone to a Mercedes clone.

Well, I was not thinking about the rules when writing my comment. I don't care about it being legal or not. It's just not within the spirit of sports, engineering and innovation. The Racing Point engineers must have felt like fools throughout the winter.

[dans79]

I don't care about it being legal or not. It's just not within the spirit of sports, engineering and innovation.

I suggest you read this post, and take a close look at the photos in it.
viewtopic.php?p=905147#p905147

[LM10]

I don't care about it being legal or not. It's just not within the spirit of sports, engineering and innovation.

I suggest you read this post, and take a close look at the photos in it.
viewtopic.php?p=905147#p905147

Of course they'll have needed to re-engineer the parts. And I perfectly understand the idea behind copying homework, but it's like what copying to such extends has always been: kind of dishonest work. It's like copying a work at school and then brag about it.
It will be funny seeing Racing Point getting "best of the rest" title and celebrate it like a big achievement at the end. And if that happens, guess what the next Racing Point will look like in 2021.

[PlatinumZealot]

Most cars were copies of redbull in the last decade. Pull rod. Blown exhaust. High rake.

What Racing point has done is made the copying itself an engineering discipline (and it actually is in real life!) and applied that to a winning specimen.

I remember in university.. First year.. Intro to engineering course... "Reverse engineering" was stated as a
acceptable form of engineering.

America reverse engineered the hell out of russian designs to make the planes they have today.

Nissan and Porsche. Porsche and Nissan.
Ford and Ferrari. Lamborghin vs Ferrari. BMW vs Benz.. The lost goes on.. Who isn't reverse engineering is the question.

[FrukostScones]

There we go
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1279088183440027651

3.8 is about Aerodynamic Influence
10.2.3 No adjustment may be made to any suspension system while the car is in motion

good.
we read the rules months ago and only sleazy oil bladder installators would try to bend them.

[LM10]

Most cars were copies of redbull in the last decade. Pull rod. Blown exhaust. High rake.

What Racing point has done is made the copying itself an engineering discipline (and it actually is in real life!) and applied that to a winning specimen.

I remember in university.. First year.. Intro to engineering course... "Reverse engineering" was stated as a
acceptable form of engineering.

America reverse engineered the hell out of russian designs to make the planes they have today.

Conceptual copies are much different to copying the whole car. You can't be serious about comparing a copy of a high rake concept to what Racing Point has done.
Copying parts will, in most of the cases, still need you as an engineer to put a lot of effort in integrating it into the individual car.

[FrukostScones]

FIA has declared no foul play already regarding Racing Points 2020 contender. End of story. It is legit and will bust the competition.

[SmallSoldier]

I don't care about it being legal or not. It's just not within the spirit of sports, engineering and innovation.

I suggest you read this post, and take a close look at the photos in it.
viewtopic.php?p=905147#p905147

Of course they'll have needed to re-engineer the parts. And I perfectly understand the idea behind copying homework, but it's like what copying to such extends has always been: kind of dishonest work. It's like copying a work at school and then brag about it.
It will be funny seeing Racing Point getting "best of the rest" title and celebrate it like a big achievement at the end. And if that happens, guess what the next Racing Point will look like in 2021.

Why wouldn’t they celebrate it? In F1 every team uses all the resources at their disposal to go as fast as they can... The simply outsmarted everyone else by copying the best car on the grid... Everyone has always copied the solutions of someone else in the sport, that’s nothing new... It isn’t “unsporting” or “unfair”, it is the smart approach if you want to “lead the midfield”... At the same time, it is a big compromise, since you will probably never win any championships with such approach, since under the expectation that every team improves season on season, you will always be behind the team you copied.

This season also was particularly friendly to such an approach, with no major changes in the regulations between 2019 and 2020 and with 2020 been the last season (when they made the decision to copy the W10) of the current regulations, why invest in developing and evolving your own concept? Modeling and Simulating the W10 should have been pretty straightforward for heavily engineering based F1 teams, the gap they found between their 2019 car and ‘their copy” of the W10 should have been considerable for them to follow this approach.

Kudos to them for been smart and going as fast as they can in within the regulations... If they end up beating everyone else (except Mercedes and their W11) it just shows that Mercedes was really ahead of everyone else and that the rest of the teams didn’t do a good enough job during the winter to at least match or surpass the previous year champion car.


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[godlameroso]

Most cars were copies of redbull in the last decade. Pull rod. Blown exhaust. High rake.

What Racing point has done is made the copying itself an engineering discipline (and it actually is in real life!) and applied that to a winning specimen.

I remember in university.. First year.. Intro to engineering course... "Reverse engineering" was stated as a
acceptable form of engineering.

America reverse engineered the hell out of russian designs to make the planes they have today.

Nissan and Porsche. Porsche and Nissan.
Ford and Ferrari. Lamborghin vs Ferrari. BMW vs Benz.. The lost goes on.. Who isn't reverse engineering is the question.

Well it's easier for RP to copy Mercedes when Mercedes is giving them the transmission and engine. Everything else is easy to copy when you fundamentally have the same car.

In any case, tomorrow we'll see what's what. We'll see Verstappen stick it in second again.

[jumpingfish]