2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

[NathanOlder]

But there is no proof. Just guessing.

No proof for us at the moment, no, but the teams not that long ago were demanding more info on the matter, and they said they would push until all the truth came out. The FIA must know exactly what happened, its a shame the other teams arent allowed to know.

[NathanOlder]

I wonder if Mercedes expects such a tire wear advantage from DAS that they feel there is no need to start on mediums. Otherwise, why did they not do Q2 on mediums? They would have made it for sure, and strategy wise it is better to copy Max. (Cause they are clearly faster, so will beat him on same strategy)

Why should they copy Max? I'm sure Mercedes did a lot of calculations and knows what they believe is the fastest strategy. Max doesn't seem to be that much of a threat to Mercedes if they can pull a half second gap on a short track as this.

Yeah, I'm guessing starting on the soft is the best strategy. Max went for an alternate strategy, as he has no chance of beating them on equal strategy. RedBull hoping for some weather or safety car help in this one. Merc stuck to strategy A.

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I wonder if Mercedes expects such a tire wear advantage from DAS that they feel there is no need to start on mediums. Otherwise, why did they not do Q2 on mediums? They would have made it for sure, and strategy wise it is better to copy Max. (Cause they are clearly faster, so will beat him on same strategy)

Why should they copy Max? I'm sure Mercedes did a lot of calculations and knows what they believe is the fastest strategy. Max doesn't seem to be that much of a threat to Mercedes if they can pull a half second gap on a short track as this.

I agree, they should have enough pace on hand. If Verstappen goes for an aggressive two-stop strategy (which I'd think is not too unlikely), they can probably still do a late additional stop as well to cover him.

[marvin78]

But there is no proof. Just guessing.

No proof for us at the moment, no, but the teams not that long ago were demanding more info on the matter, and they said they would push until all the truth came out. The FIA must know exactly what happened, its a shame the other teams arent allowed to know.

To the present there is no proof. You cannot argue for money without proof. That's all I say. I think it's highly irritating, if someone states guessing as fact. We really don't know what is going on. Even educated guesses are just that... guesses.

[TimW]

I wonder if Mercedes expects such a tire wear advantage from DAS that they feel there is no need to start on mediums. Otherwise, why did they not do Q2 on mediums? They would have made it for sure, and strategy wise it is better to copy Max. (Cause they are clearly faster, so will beat him on same strategy)

Why should they copy Max? I'm sure Mercedes did a lot of calculations and knows what they believe is the fastest strategy. Max doesn't seem to be that much of a threat to Mercedes if they can pull a half second gap on a short track as this.

Yeah, I'm guessing starting on the soft is the best strategy. Max went for an alternate strategy, as he has no chance of beating them on equal strategy. RedBull hoping for some weather or safety car help in this one. Merc stuck to strategy A.

Yes copying to prevent being caught out by a safety car, advantage over others is even bigger so not much of a risk.

Assuming Max goes medium- hard and Mercedes soft- hard. Mediums just giving you a much bigger pit window.

[NathanOlder]

But there is no proof. Just guessing.

No proof for us at the moment, no, but the teams not that long ago were demanding more info on the matter, and they said they would push until all the truth came out. The FIA must know exactly what happened, its a shame the other teams arent allowed to know.

To the present there is no proof. You cannot argue for money without proof. That's all I say. I think it's highly irritating, if someone states guessing as fact. We really don't know what is going on. Even educated guesses are just that... guesses.

Im not sure you can say no proof, because the FIA and Ferrari came to an agreement. That means the FIA caught Ferrari doing something (who knows what exactly) wrong. Otherwise Ferrari would have told the FIA to get lost and cleared its name. Ferrari couldnt, so they had to come to an agreement, which is 100% a sign that they were guilty of something. Theres the proof.

[Sieper]

Indeed, there is somekind of proof. That we will like,y never learn officially. Costs too much money.


We will only learn off the record in books about careers/lives in 20 years.

[marvin78]

That's an indication for us and the other teams, no proof. I don't say that Ferrari did nothing. I don't see proof. So no one can argue for money. That's all I say.

[Jolle]

But there is no proof. Just guessing.

No proof for us at the moment, no, but the teams not that long ago were demanding more info on the matter, and they said they would push until all the truth came out. The FIA must know exactly what happened, its a shame the other teams arent allowed to know.

To the present there is no proof. You cannot argue for money without proof. That's all I say. I think it's highly irritating, if someone states guessing as fact. We really don't know what is going on. Even educated guesses are just that... guesses.

Thats why teams could ask, at the backdoor, for compensation of missed prize money... else they could go to court to ask for the findings of the FIA investigations, which are so damning that the FIA buried it, probably at all costs, and worth around one second on a 63 second lap.

the end of last year there was smoke, now it's just a bush fire. No way Ferrari made a car, under the same rules, that is a second slower. They would be in the mix just bringing last years car. They didn't.

[PlatinumZealot]

No further action for HAM.

No brainer. "No further action for Ham" is a sentence described on judge's room's wall.
[ironic] Nowadays any penalty for Ham would be named "racism" [/ironic]

You mean sarcastic...

Anyway. I am enjoying Lewis' champion's, immunity in these times! It used to be penalties every weekend when he was at McLaren. It's awesome knowing there is some leniency towards the champ!

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Yes copying to prevent being caught out by a safety car, advantage over others is even bigger so not much of a risk.

it's difficult though. Mercedes probably doesn't want to split strategies between the two drivers at this point of the championship, and if they had gone for mediums with both as well, Verstappen would probably just have completed his lap on softs in the end of Q2. For him, it's not about having a per se better strategy tomorrow, but just to have a different one, which may lead to opportunities.

[214270]

Any info on Ocon?

[PlatinumZealot]

@ the Ferrari situation... As said before the problem lies in the fact that FIA does not have the know-how nor the technology to prove that Ferrari was cheating YET. However the FIA can attain
the know-how at any moment as far as Ferrari is concerned, so that's why ferrari disabled the mechanism on the new engines going forward.

[Jolle]

@ the Ferrari situation... As said before the problem lies in the fact that FIA does not have the know-how nor the technology to prove that Ferrari was cheating YET. However the FIA can attain
the know-how at any moment as far as Ferrari is concerned, so that's why ferrari disabled the mechanism on the new engines going forward.

My guess is still on the two liter overflow tank after the fuel flow sensor. One air bubble or something elastic and you can run well over the 100l/h at every straight. The new rule with the overflow reduced to 250cc and a second fuel flow just before the high pressure pump prevents this now.

[ENGINE TUNER]

What does the tire strategy look like.

Soft, Medium for the Mercs?
Medium/soft for VER?

26/80 degrees expected for race start

What was track temp today?