2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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Re: 2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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Wouter wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:32
dans79 wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:16
Wouter wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 12:34
Because of only/all the reactions here of Lewis, the other 19 drivers do not participate apparently.
People talk about what they care about, nothing you can really do about it if people don't care about what you do.
I like the F1 races. I care about the race with 20 drivers. I thought you can read about it in a race Topic, you also can in other race Topics on other forums. All I read here is Lewis, Lewis, Lewis and Mercedes. There are also 9 other teams. #-o
I guess its like other sports in a way. in the 90's you couldnt talk about Basketball without talking about the Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan. You couldnt talk about golf without talking about Tiger Woods, you couldn't talk about motoGP without talking about Rossi ect ect. It just happens that its Lewis and Merc in recent years.
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NathanOlder wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:29
Phil wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 15:42
Has there been any news in regards to Bottas being slow on the last 2 laps and possibly costing a 1-2? Fair play for him if it was intentional, but certainly the team would not have been pleased?
I dont think he was though, If I recall the live timing, lap 69 was slow for Bottas but 70 and 71 were in the 1.08's which is plenty fast enough considering the tyre age and compound. Lando's fastest lap was in the mid 1.07's so its not like Valtteri was that slow. Lap 69 was a bad one though, not sure what happened.
The commentators on the live stream said he had a little trouble lapping a Williams, but it was never shown. Maybe just their own guess.

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Wouter wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:32
dans79 wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:16
Wouter wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 12:34
Because of only/all the reactions here of Lewis, the other 19 drivers do not participate apparently.
People talk about what they care about, nothing you can really do about it if people don't care about what you do.
I like the F1 races. I care about the race with 20 drivers. I thought you can read about it in a race Topic, you also can in other race Topics on other forums. All I read here is Lewis, Lewis, Lewis and Mercedes. There are also 9 other teams. #-o
Hamilton is currently the biggest star in F1, Mercedes the top team. They will be talked about the most because of that. It happened when Vettel and RedBull were winning, when Michael and Ferrari were winning, and no doubt was back when Fangio was winning.

What would you like to talk about with regard to other drivers and teams? Bring stuff to the table and maybe others will discuss it with you.
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It felt like they were going to swap Bottas and Hamilton around the last few laps, to give Hamilton max chance of keeping 5 seconds ahead of anybody but Bottas and let Bottas stay off the curbs nurturing his car home.

It didn’t look like blocking from Bottas

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Sieper wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:18
Most here are Lewis fans. That is true.
That's far from true. One only has to look at the number of posts blaming him for everything from Albon's spin to global warming to see that. :lol:
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Just go back in this topic and count all the insinuations about stewards, much easier to find then anyone blaming Lewis for global heating. Hint, don’t scroll back too far.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:23
Sieper wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 16:18
Most here are Lewis fans. That is true.
That's far from true. One only has to look at the number of posts blaming him for everything from Albon's spin to global warming to see that. :lol:
You forgot Covid pandemic :lol:

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Jolle wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:22
It felt like they were going to swap Bottas and Hamilton around the last few laps, to give Hamilton max chance of keeping 5 seconds ahead of anybody but Bottas and let Bottas stay off the curbs nurturing his car home.

It didn’t look like blocking from Bottas
He was 2 seconds slower than Lewis in lap 69, which put Lewis in bad air, which meant Lewis was slower than Leclerc and Norris

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Not sure why some people think Albon should be have patient after all what is the Senna quote about gaps Hamilton likes so much?

“if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing.” :D

Usually used to justify dangerous driving.

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Sieper wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:26
Just go back in this topic and count all the insinuations about stewards, much easier to find then anyone blaming Lewis for global heating. Hint, don’t scroll back too far.
A person would have to be blind not to see the number of people here that rag on Lewis because he doesn't driver for their team, isn't their nationality, don't like the way he dresses etc etc.

On this very forum several years back someone said they didn't like him because he didn't hide the fact he was wealthy or something to that effect.
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You would have to be blind and lazy not even wanting to go back one page to see several people insinuating stewarding was partial as Hamilton got a penalty. It turns people off.

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siskue2005 wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:44
Jolle wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:22
It felt like they were going to swap Bottas and Hamilton around the last few laps, to give Hamilton max chance of keeping 5 seconds ahead of anybody but Bottas and let Bottas stay off the curbs nurturing his car home.

It didn’t look like blocking from Bottas
He was 2 seconds slower than Lewis in lap 69, which put Lewis in bad air, which meant Lewis was slower than Leclerc and Norris
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Sieper wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:52
You would have to be blind and lazy not even wanting to go back one page to see several people insinuating stewarding was partial as Hamilton got a penalty. It turns people off.
A person is naive if they think stewards are 100% impartial. We have seen many many cases over the years where various drivers have been given what looks like a free pass, and where others seem to get hammered on for the least little thing.
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Moore77 wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:55
siskue2005 wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:44
Jolle wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 17:22
It felt like they were going to swap Bottas and Hamilton around the last few laps, to give Hamilton max chance of keeping 5 seconds ahead of anybody but Bottas and let Bottas stay off the curbs nurturing his car home.

It didn’t look like blocking from Bottas
He was 2 seconds slower than Lewis in lap 69, which put Lewis in bad air, which meant Lewis was slower than Leclerc and Norris
https://i.imgur.com/Fdvzc0K.jpg
So why was Bottas suddenly slower by 2.5s (relative to his earlier lap) on lap69? I can't quite believe he was lapping a Williams as was suggested earlier, as those cars get to unlap themselves and with the number of safety cars (two in succession), they shouldn't have been in the way that quickly after a restart?

My initial impression was, that Mercedes was ordering Bottas to let Hamilton by to nullify the 5s time penalty, but then obviously that turned out to be false as Hamilton was massively held up for the last 2 laps?
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Phil wrote:
06 Jul 2020, 18:04

So why was Bottas suddenly slower by 2.5s (relative to his earlier lap) on lap69? I can't quite believe he was lapping a Williams as was suggested earlier, as those cars get to unlap themselves and with the number of safety cars (two in succession), they shouldn't have been in the way that quickly after a restart?

My initial impression was, that Mercedes was ordering Bottas to let Hamilton by to nullify the 5s time penalty, but then obviously that turned out to be false as Hamilton was massively held up for the last 2 laps?
There were double yellows for Albon's parked car in T7-T8. He slowed down for them the others did not.