2020 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, September 25 - 27

[MtthsMlw]

They didn't listen to the radio before?? Everyone with F1 TV can do that but not the stewards?

[dans79]

The really funny thing is, at the point of when the infringement took place to the time it was issued that he was under investigation, to another good 20 minutes later when the penalty was given... what were they doing, if not for listening to the team radio?!

you have to wonder sometimes, especially when sky was playing it for the whole world to see before the race even started.

[Sevach]

I also wonder what Mercedes will say about pitting Hamilton so early? Sky said something about Mercedes being worried about a Renault undercut, but that seems like a ludicrous proposition.

That's pretty ludicrous.
I think Mercedes will say he used up his tires and it was unsafe to drive any longer.
I think he should have gone longer, or instead try 2 pit stops and hope for a SC.
I mean he had 3rd place in the bag anyway.

The hard tire was very slow, Hamilton on new hards was being gapped by Bottas on used mediums, If Hamilton carried his softs to lap 22 or so he could've taken mediums the rest of the way, i'm shocked no one tried that.

[komninosm]

So wait on... what about the time penalty?

I think the point is that the time penalty goes to the driver, for "gaining an advantage" (whatever that might be in this case - imaginary).
But the Penalty points are for dangerous driving and the driver was not at fault since he was ordered by his team to do that.

Anyway it's just more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_the_Absurd
Seriously, this is just negotiating and not ruling at this point. Trying to find with how much --- they can get away with, without a massive backlash for unfairness.

It still doesn't explain why no investigation on Verstappen, Leclerc, Vettel for dangerous driving in pit and causing collisions.

Also, since Article 36.1 says no slowing down in the pit exit, how come they didn't penalize several drivers yesterday in Q2 who slowed down after the red flag was over, when exiting the pits?

[ENGINE TUNER]

it's odd how much they steered away from its original use of penalty points

Originally it was introduced to get drivers that crash a lot out without having to judge the case subjectively (like with Grosjean back in Spa), but they are dishing out a lot of penalty points for formal infregments that before that were only reprimands (3 of them meant a 10 place drop) nowadays. Of the 10 Hamilton has only 4 were actually for collisions.

Race bans should reserved for persistent dangerous driving not for slip ups or team's mistakes

One thing I don't really understand - okay, Lewis and team shoot himself in the foot here - but why Mercedes always robs both us and Lewis from a strategy where he can really shine, like a bold two stopper and let him push. It would have been spectacular to watch that. but they didnt do it.

As soon as Riccardo pitted (who is like 9 sec behind) i was like oh they are gonna pit him now, they are that conservative now.

The pirelli tires can NOT be pushed under any conditions and especially under hot conditions like today.

[siskue2005]

wow


“The stewards received information from the team that the driver of car 44 had received a team instruction to perform the practice start in the incorrect place. This was confirmed by the Stewards having listened to the audio between the Team and the Driver.

“Based on this information the Stewards replace document 46 with this decision and therefore remove the penalty points imposed and fine the competitor (Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team) €25,000.”

I am glad that they retracted the penalty points

But they are making themselves look like idiots now

[214270]

HAMs points would later be rescinded says the narrator - Fade to black - Drive to Survive Episode ends - Credits roll.

Now that’s an ending

[RZS10]

What a complete and utter shitshow by the stewards ... remember when a certain driver had an unsafe release and the team was fined but the driver got away without a penalty with the argument that it was the team's fault? Turning things around this would mean that it also shouldn't have been 2 * 5s for the driver but another fine for the team, no?

[Phil]

I'm more annoyed that he ultimately got a penalty for something that wasn't defined clearly. This should teach the stewards/race directory to be more precise in what they expect the drivers to do and not be a punishment for drivers who legitimately exploit it. In the end, it ruined a race for something that wasn't even relevant to the race itself.

[El Scorchio]

It's the common sense decision, really. Penalty points were a bit absurd.
As for the teams error- I make it akin to an unsafe release or loose wheel after a stop. It's a shame the driver is penalised for something that's not his fault or within his control. Possibly a WCC point penalty is the fairest thing in circumstances like that.

[Fulcrum]

Becuase of new rules on the podium driver must be fully clothed up to the neck! They cant even remove their gloves!

Silly if you ask me!

If only the Laws in the real world could be ammended this rapidly for equal justice.

Seriously? They added rules for that? I'm pretty sure they all removed the gloves. Quick give them 2 penalty points each! /wink wink nudge nudge say no more

Lewis removed one gloves in the podium, he desreves 10 place grid drop and 2 penalty points for next race!

If he's really committed to the cause he should just tattoo BLM on his forehead.

[ENGINE TUNER]

It's the common sense decision, really. Penalty points were a bit absurd.
As for the teams error- I make it akin to an unsafe release or loose wheel after a stop. It's a shame the driver is penalised for something that's not his fault or within his control. Possibly a WCC point penalty is the fairest thing in circumstances like that.

There is nothing that says the team made an error, there is no regulation or direction that says it is illegal for HAM to make the practice start where he did. The whole thing is just complete and utter BS.

[ENGINE TUNER]

Seriously? They added rules for that? I'm pretty sure they all removed the gloves. Quick give them 2 penalty points each! /wink wink nudge nudge say no more

Lewis removed one gloves in the podium, he desreves 10 place grid drop and 2 penalty points for next race!

If he's really committed to the cause he should just tattoo BLM on his forehead.

Good idea, Henna tattoo of course

[Fulcrum]

https://www.grandprix247.com/wp-content ... lerc-2.jpg

That guy from The Big Bang Theory really gets around.

[El Scorchio]

It's the common sense decision, really. Penalty points were a bit absurd.
As for the teams error- I make it akin to an unsafe release or loose wheel after a stop. It's a shame the driver is penalised for something that's not his fault or within his control. Possibly a WCC point penalty is the fairest thing in circumstances like that.

There is nothing that says the team made an error, there is no regulation or direction that says it is illegal for HAM to make the practice start where he did. The whole thing is just complete and utter BS.

Very true. It's a bit of an embarrassing shitshow all round. I think they just saw an opportunity to enhance THE SHOW and took it without fully thinking it through, along with all its repercussions.

How many times have those sentiments been posted to this forum so far this season?