[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Emag]

This track is similar to Hungary and Ferrari was very decent there. I am not surprised they are quick here. But that 2 tenths to Renaults is turning into a trend now. It has persisted since Mugello. If the car handles so good on the high speed corners, then they must be losing a --- load of time on the slower ones to end up 2 tenths slower than Renault. Hopefully they manage to find the fundamental root of this weakness and fix it for next year. I don't see them improving that this season.

[Szabi1112]

All the loss was in s1 compared to Renault

Both renault, one ferrari are ahead of us. Schocking... from race to race we step back...

I wouldn’t be too down yet on the car performance... Pretty unique qualifying session, with the teams only having on practice session, not a lot of time to review data and try setup changes, whomever brought a better setup out of the trailer was going to have an advantage.


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I would turn around your aspect. The more laps teams run, the bigger gap we have. We seemed to be faster than renault’s during the FP3, equal in the Q1, and rather slower at the end of Q3.
If it had been a normal weekend, we would have suffered more.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Somehow S1 wasn’t as hooked up as the previous laps. It’s where Q3 was lost. NOR got a best 28.020 in Q2. His best Q3 lap was a 28.2 compared to the Renault 27.99. Very fine margins. I’m satisfied. We seem to be back on track. I’m optimistic.

0.2 S1 compared to the leaders. 0.5 in S2. 0.2 again in S3

[McL-H]

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In my opinion, this is very strange information, I would like to understand by what criteria the assessment was carried out.

It doesn't seem too far off to be honest. We seem to be standing still while the cars around us are developing their cars ahead. Renault has made massive jumps.. It looks like our car is fast straight out of the box. But when the other teams got time to setup theirs, we fall back. Obviously, as mentioned by others, it's weird how the graph assumes Mercedes are not improving. They should visualize the gap to Mercedes like how they've done it. But add the performance gain/loss of Mercedes to that in the numbers.

[_cerber1]

It doesn't seem too far off to be honest. We seem to be standing still while the cars around us are developing their cars ahead. Renault has made massive jumps.. It looks like our car is fast straight out of the box. But when the other teams got time to setup theirs, we fall back. Obviously, as mentioned by others, it's weird how the graph assumes Mercedes are not improving. They should visualize the gap to Mercedes like how they've done it. But add the performance gain/loss of Mercedes to that in the numbers.

[101FlyingDutchman]

So both new noses but SAI ran the upgraded package behind it. Not a happy bunny. Neither was Lando in Russia. We need a normal FP1 and FP2. I just think they haven’t figured the new package out at all

[CjC]

So both new noses but SAI ran the upgraded package behind it. Not a happy bunny. Neither was Lando in Russia. We need a normal FP1 and FP2. I just think they haven’t figured the new package out at all

Worryingly Carlos just said on Sky that he’s not so sure about the new package- he made a good point saying Lando struggled with the new package in Sochi and now Carlos is struggling with the latest new package here at the Nurburgring

[SmallSoldier]

Both renault, one ferrari are ahead of us. Schocking... from race to race we step back...

I wouldn’t be too down yet on the car performance... Pretty unique qualifying session, with the teams only having on practice session, not a lot of time to review data and try setup changes, whomever brought a better setup out of the trailer was going to have an advantage.


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I would turn around your aspect. The more laps teams run, the bigger gap we have. We seemed to be faster than renault’s during the FP3, equal in the Q1, and rather slower at the end of Q3.
If it had been a normal weekend, we would have suffered more.

That’s definitely a possibility... Although, we’ve seeing Mclaren make a lot of improvement from FP1 to Qualifying at almost every race this season.

With the team trying a new package, they need a fair amount of laps to dial it in, my point is that performance today may be more related to lack of running than package performance... We can see a similar situation with Racing Point, who have been faster overall than Mclaren, but didn’t had their car in a sweet spot today... Carlos was also complaining about the tires during the first Qualy runs.


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[CjC]

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In my opinion, this is very strange information, I would like to understand by what criteria the assessment was carried out.

It doesn't seem too far off to be honest. We seem to be standing still while the cars around us are developing their cars ahead. Renault has made massive jumps.. It looks like our car is fast straight out of the box. But when the other teams got time to setup theirs, we fall back. Obviously, as mentioned by others, it's weird how the graph assumes Mercedes are not improving. They should visualize the gap to Mercedes like how they've done it. But add the performance gain/loss of Mercedes to that in the numbers.

Something I have noticed as far back to when Lewis in the car

[101FlyingDutchman]

The simple fact that SAI came from a long way back in Q1 compared to NOR just shows that they are totally unsure what the sweet spot is in terms of balance. They honestly desperately need a normal FP1 and FP2 and try setup changes and responses. Drawing conclusions from 2 disrupted weekends is a recipe for disaster

RIC mentioned that the Renault gained massively with the rear. Being able to get on the power early out of the slower speed corners and taking that advantage through onto the straights.

[godlameroso]

Lando puts in more sim work I guess, although he already has a race and some data to carry him through this weekend.

[Big Tea]

Im not sure the drivers did a good job on that last run. I feel they could have been at least a tenth or two faster. On another note Ferrari has done something to improve that much.

You have to expect Ferrari to catch up and probably pass as they were artificially knocked back.
As they get on top of things they will challenge and possibly get in front.

Only to be expected really when you look at the resource they have, and as I say, what damaged them was mos-match not lack of car or engine. We can hope, but be realistic.

[Darth-Piekus]

Not sure how we can come back from that but we may not finish 3rd after all despite the good start. Let's see how it goes. Still it's a two year race and I wouldn't count this year much as mostly next year with the new engine.

[Emag]

Definitely some worrying messages coming from drivers related to the new parts. The token system is screwing them over big time I think. They are pushing parts that do not fit with this car's philosophy because they don't have enough tokens to put it on next year's car.

I hope they get on top of it and make this new direction work with this concept, otherwise they might even end up 6th by the end of the season if Ferrari's newfound form continues.

They are in a very shitty situation at the moment. Renault has managed to make their car work pretty much everywhere now. RacingPoint is running around with a copy of last year's Mercedes and there's always going to be some hidden potential in that car. Ready to be exploited if they start understanding that car better. And Ferrari has seemingly gotten their aero somewhat sorted. With Leclerc being an absolute beast behind the wheel, they might take the reins of this midfield battle from this point.

You got all these strong teams and then there's McLaren, which have been struggling to make the new aero direction work for the last 4 races.

Does not look promising at all for the moment.

[101FlyingDutchman]

I kind of agree but I’m hesitant to call it just yet. The fact that SAI was closing in on NOR times so quickly during quali tells me that the package quite clearly is poorly understood and a lot of time can be found. max speed trap figures “look” encouraging too. I reckon there is a good chunk of time to find still.

Problem is the updates couldn’t have come at a worse time. New circuits and variable weather. Easy to draw the wrong conclusions or infer things that may not be true. It may well be a bit like RIC had to do with the Renault and get adventurous in setting up the car to unlock potential. If they can make a similar jump like Renault has coming off corners then there is a good gain to be unlocked. But it’s all too soon to call