Vietnam cancelled for 2021. May never race there ever.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
El Scorchio wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:12 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:15 am
And it does make sense for F1 purely in a business/money sense as well. Go where the money is. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of some great and traditional European races which don't get government or immense private financial backing.
It doesn't make sense if it results in people being turned off the sport, however. There's no prestige for these places if there's no one watching because the tracks result in poor racing.
If great racing is what we are after... Why is Monaco still in the calendar?


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SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:19 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
El Scorchio wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:12 am


And it does make sense for F1 purely in a business/money sense as well. Go where the money is. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of some great and traditional European races which don't get government or immense private financial backing.
It doesn't make sense if it results in people being turned off the sport, however. There's no prestige for these places if there's no one watching because the tracks result in poor racing.
If great racing is what we are after... Why is Monaco still in the calendar?


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Great question. I'm on record (i.e. I've said it here before) that I think Monaco is a rubbish and shouldn't be included in the calendar. Sure, if you want spectacle, have it as a mid season jaunt, but it's entirely pointless as a race unless something odd happens such as the 1996 race (Panis won, only the podium finishers actually finished the race). It can be fun watching qualifying - flat out around Monaco is just bad ass, but as a race? No way!
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:15 am
We have Bernie to thank for the rise of these weird races. He managed to set up a model where the circuits paid F1 to use their facilities. Think about it - it's the equivalent of going on holiday and having the hotel pay you to stay there.

Quite why anyone fell for it is beyond me. I guess there were enough egotistical leaders in enough countries that were happy to pay Bernie in order to make themselves look good. Once that route had been opened up, the traditional circuits were at risk and some were lost from the calendar.

Why go to Vietnam, or Saudi Arabia or Bahrain when we can use classic tracks like Imola? Only one reason - the leaders of those countries are willing to pay for the reflected glory that hosting an F1 race brings to them (or they think it does).
I think that in itself is no issue. Newbuilt tracks do not have to be boring per se. I like Austin for instance.

Problem is I think that with the requirements for road, air access and hospitality, you inevitably end up with a piece of industrial wasteland near a major city. There is only so much you can do with that. If that was the case in the past the Belgian GP would have run in Antwerpen Harbor instead of Spa.

I am sure Vietnam would be able to design a great track. Imagine a jungle track in the mountains. Heck they could design the track to run trough a cave or under a waterfall or something crazy. Wouldn’t that be something?

I am not sure where this push for practicality is coming from. The way Bernie has been complaining about the road access at Silverstone and Spa it would not surprise me if F1 is the problem and not these countries.

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Monaco is all about glamour. It's the only race on the calendar where racing, and the actual quality of racing, takes second place to trackside activities.

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I enjoy Monaco, I love watching the cars there, the onboards are fantastic. It’s a driving challenge that rewards accuracy and risk taking when those elements are being lost as most of the venues have acres of tarmac run off. Monaco qualifying is one of my favourite things about F1, I enjoy the race also, it’s long, highly tactical but you always feel something could happen due to the nature of the circuit.

I wouldn’t want several venues like Monaco on the calendar but as it is it brings something different. I’d be sad to see it go, but I think that’s unlikely.

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A perfect calendar would be: Sepang, Nurburgring, Imola, Portimao, Mugello, Spa, Austria, Hungaroring, Montreal, Austin, Monza, Suzuka, Bahrain, Silverstone, Interlagos, Fuji, Instabul, Shangai.

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Is it possible that Mugello and Portimao produced such good races because they were relatively unknown to the teams?
Since I've ordered an electric car, does that mean I should start watching Formula E?

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adrianjordan wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:03 am
Is it possible that Mugello and Portimao produced such good races because they were relatively unknown to the teams?
Exactly my thoughts. And in Portimao's case, slippery conditions.
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Edax wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:40 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:15 am
We have Bernie to thank for the rise of these weird races. He managed to set up a model where the circuits paid F1 to use their facilities. Think about it - it's the equivalent of going on holiday and having the hotel pay you to stay there.

Quite why anyone fell for it is beyond me. I guess there were enough egotistical leaders in enough countries that were happy to pay Bernie in order to make themselves look good. Once that route had been opened up, the traditional circuits were at risk and some were lost from the calendar.

Why go to Vietnam, or Saudi Arabia or Bahrain when we can use classic tracks like Imola? Only one reason - the leaders of those countries are willing to pay for the reflected glory that hosting an F1 race brings to them (or they think it does).
I think that in itself is no issue. Newbuilt tracks do not have to be boring per se. I like Austin for instance.

Problem is I think that with the requirements for road, air access and hospitality, you inevitably end up with a piece of industrial wasteland near a major city. There is only so much you can do with that. If that was the case in the past the Belgian GP would have run in Antwerpen Harbor instead of Spa.

I am sure Vietnam would be able to design a great track. Imagine a jungle track in the mountains. Heck they could design the track to run trough a cave or under a waterfall or something crazy. Wouldn’t that be something?

I am not sure where this push for practicality is coming from. The way Bernie has been complaining about the road access at Silverstone and Spa it would not surprise me if F1 is the problem and not these countries.
That’s the thing that disappointed me most about the “Circuit of Wales” fiasco. The terrain and proposed layout actually looked to be creating an interesting grade 1 track. Probably more suited to bikes and tin tops rather than current F1 but an interesting layout nontheless.


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SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:19 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
El Scorchio wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:12 am


And it does make sense for F1 purely in a business/money sense as well. Go where the money is. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of some great and traditional European races which don't get government or immense private financial backing.
It doesn't make sense if it results in people being turned off the sport, however. There's no prestige for these places if there's no one watching because the tracks result in poor racing.
If great racing is what we are after... Why is Monaco still in the calendar?


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But Monaco actually proves the point that F1 Follows the money.

Monaco used to be amazing being fast in Monaco meant you had guts/valor and technical ability. So in the past it was the great street circuit. So let's keep that in mind.

However times have changed and now Monaco is nothing more then a parade of fast cars.

Like a Race week for the rich of Monaco.

But see the thing there is it's well backed and has money.

That's why we still race in Monaco. Just like Silverstone except Silverstone is STILL great.

So what old tracks need to remain is money sadly which proves your points.

If they can get money and have great history like Silverstone then nobody will move them from the calendar.

But sadly the inverse is also true if they have money they will put them on the calendar.
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