[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

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Morteza wrote:
18 Dec 2020, 16:34
Have to admit this photo looks so weird
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EphrLWcW8AA ... name=large
Yeah it was taken in the Abu dhabi hotel, the same night that Perez and Vettel did the helmet swap. So it was basically already decided since then

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 16:18
The only concern is that Merc spend more time for 2021 car than the others. And giving the base from 2020 is great, it will be hard
You speak the truth!

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One would say that ain't coincedence at work ..
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diffuser wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 17:06
Marti_EF3 wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 16:18
The only concern is that Merc spend more time for 2021 car than the others. And giving the base from 2020 is great, it will be hard
You speak the truth!
In Abu Dhabi, for whatever reason, the RB16 was the fastest car. Next year both Honda and Mercedes, as well as the other engine OEMs, are bringing big updates. The chassis is being held back in the same manner for everyone, and RB feels pretty confident that they can make the car faster despite the changes. Then again so can Mercedes. To be honest by Turkey, the changes on the car made it enough to be a match for Mercedes. It's just a matter of who qualifies ahead, because clean air seems to be a big advantage to race pace, especially when the performance is so close. Next year, unless someone makes a mistake with the tires, who ever starts 1st can usually finish 1st, so qualifying will be even more important.

These cars are such that it's hard to follow closer than 5 seconds. If you push too hard to stay close you burn up your tires. It's only worth pushing to try to get into DRS range, otherwise it's a matter of stretching the stint to be strong at the end, or trying the undercut.
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Marti_EF3 wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 16:18
The only concern is that Merc spend more time for 2021 car than the others. And giving the base from 2020 is great, it will be hard
Don't forget that Sergio has driven Mercedes engines the whole time almost. He knows how the engine works. That could be valuable information information to honda....

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godlameroso wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 18:26
diffuser wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 17:06
Marti_EF3 wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 16:18
The only concern is that Merc spend more time for 2021 car than the others. And giving the base from 2020 is great, it will be hard
You speak the truth!
In Abu Dhabi, for whatever reason, the RB16 was the fastest car. Next year both Honda and Mercedes, as well as the other engine OEMs, are bringing big updates. The chassis is being held back in the same manner for everyone, and RB feels pretty confident that they can make the car faster despite the changes. Then again so can Mercedes. To be honest by Turkey, the changes on the car made it enough to be a match for Mercedes. It's just a matter of who qualifies ahead, because clean air seems to be a big advantage to race pace, especially when the performance is so close. Next year, unless someone makes a mistake with the tires, who ever starts 1st can usually finish 1st, so qualifying will be even more important.

These cars are such that it's hard to follow closer than 5 seconds. If you push too hard to stay close you burn up your tires. It's only worth pushing to try to get into DRS range, otherwise it's a matter of stretching the stint to be strong at the end, or trying the undercut.
I am not so sure that RB and Merc were on eye-level from Turkey onwards. The ease with which Merc was pulling a gap several times this season hints that they have a comfortable lead. Abu Dhabi is not representative, the Mercs did have everything in the pocket so didn't need to push. Many circuits RB was running with lower DF to compensate for top speed.

Unless RB makes a big jump with engine AND chassis, I expect them to start on a backfoot by several tenth's. One can dream though.

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Hamilton couldn't pull away from Verstappen in Bahrain 1. Bahrain 2 Verstappen had race winning race pace. Abu Dhabi was all Red Bull. Mercedes claims they lost .1 because of lowering engine performance. That was all it took for Verstappen to build a 10 second gap to Bottas at will.
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toraabe wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 21:58


Don't forget that Sergio has driven Mercedes engines the whole time almost. He knows how the engine works. That could be valuable information information to honda....
RBR and Honda knows as much about the engine as Perez does. The only thing they dont know is how the engine is build and can get so much Efficiency.
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Max will have a new team mate, last week he became an uncle, but for now he has a new sibling.

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yener wrote:
20 Dec 2020, 13:12
toraabe wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 21:58


Don't forget that Sergio has driven Mercedes engines the whole time almost. He knows how the engine works. That could be valuable information information to honda....
RBR and Honda knows as much about the engine as Perez does. The only thing they dont know is how the engine is build and can get so much Efficiency.
What I mean is ers deliverance and so on

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godlameroso wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 23:32
Hamilton couldn't pull away from Verstappen in Bahrain 1. Bahrain 2 Verstappen had race winning race pace. Abu Dhabi was all Red Bull. Mercedes claims they lost .1 because of lowering engine performance. That was all it took for Verstappen to build a 10 second gap to Bottas at will.
That is quite some achievement when he was out on lap 1

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Friday practice no one could match him in the long runs, he had the pace to win that race, it was obvious. In Mugello and Imola he also had incredible pace, shame he couldn't convert it.
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yener wrote:
20 Dec 2020, 13:12
toraabe wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 21:58


Don't forget that Sergio has driven Mercedes engines the whole time almost. He knows how the engine works. That could be valuable information information to honda....
RBR and Honda knows as much about the engine as Perez does. The only thing they dont know is how the engine is build and can get so much Efficiency.
Perez has been driving Mercedes engines since he went to Force India. He's been using Mercedes engines and tracking their progress since the start of the hybrid era. His feedback is very valuable.
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godlameroso wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 02:26
yener wrote:
20 Dec 2020, 13:12
toraabe wrote:
19 Dec 2020, 21:58


Don't forget that Sergio has driven Mercedes engines the whole time almost. He knows how the engine works. That could be valuable information information to honda....
RBR and Honda knows as much about the engine as Perez does. The only thing they dont know is how the engine is build and can get so much Efficiency.
Perez has been driving Mercedes engines since he went to Force India. He's been using Mercedes engines and tracking their progress since the start of the hybrid era. His feedback is very valuable.
i think its too late for change anything serious regarding the engine.

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velizare wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 10:40
godlameroso wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 02:26
yener wrote:
20 Dec 2020, 13:12


RBR and Honda knows as much about the engine as Perez does. The only thing they dont know is how the engine is build and can get so much Efficiency.
Perez has been driving Mercedes engines since he went to Force India. He's been using Mercedes engines and tracking their progress since the start of the hybrid era. His feedback is very valuable.
i think its too late for change anything serious regarding the engine.
it is possible that perez can be technical interest about these cars and could be talked about it with engineers but would be very strange if perez has tech and design knowledge about merc pu and it's ers side, especially that level that can change Honda engineer's plans to make a design change, he could just know deployment strategy which is already known better by engine manufacturers by gps analysis I think.
I think we just expect him to be fast and make good feedback for car behaviours